Aren't hull coordinates short integers? That would explain that. I remember reading something about it, but may be wrong. 

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i'm guessing both? ;)

I really didn't want to start messing with my hardware drivers though so I guess I'll just have to take the hint that mapping isn't for me. Thanks for the help though. :)

that's pretty rash. why not try a different editor? 

i have no idea. everything is from observations i've made and from what i recall reading from other, more code minded posters.

i've just found that when you have a bunch of sloping areas intersecting, you're tossing the dice as to whether it will be fine or not. sometimes you can have the most obscene brushwork and have it compile perfectly and sometimes the simplest junction, perhaps even just two faces, will explode.

this is where, i think, the whole 'don't overlap brushes' thing comes from. 

The same - it just tends to muck stuff up, but I haven't built a compiler so don't know for sure.

Where's AguirRe? 

what ever happened to aguirre's q2 work? he was doing an engine i think? 

rj/#10404

i really wouldn't even know what would be the next best editor or how to get it setup :( i thought hammer might but im not even sure. 

Haven't spoken to him in a long time. Last was to give notice of Willem's multi thread version of 'the' compilers. 

It sounds like you've got hardware troubles - don't give up. Everyone on the board has suffered them at one time or another. 

well there isnt really any way for me to get any dif hardware, and id rather not muck around with installing dif drivers for my video card :/ i could go with a dif editor like hammer if i knew how to set it up for quake :( some people said quark but they say itd be really hard to learn coming from only experience with hammer/worldcraft. they say its too different to learn once youve gotten to used to one or the other :( 

"Hammer.exe" straight into your "Worldcraft" folder, and run it like that. Work for me :)

QERadiant is meant to be a very good editor for windows. I have never tried it, but people keep telling me it's as good or better than Worldcraft.

I dont know which version is the best to use for Quake1. Anyone? Link please? 

From all the editors I tried, this had the steepest learning curve, but once mastered, it felt the most natural. I was a LOT faster using Radiant than other editors, esp. WC, where you have to constantly change modes. I also gradually stopped using the vertex manipulation tool in favor of clipping brushes into shape, which is much faster and precise IMHO. 

BSP editor, though I've never given it a try.

The modes in WC don't bother me tbh since there's the hotkeys... 

GTKRadiant:

http://qeradiant.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi

NetRadiant:

http://dev.alientrap.org/wiki/netradiant

Shameless Plug:

http://kneedeepinthedoomed.wordpress.com/tutorials/ 

i could go with a dif editor like hammer if i knew how to set it up for quake :( some people said quark but they say itd be really hard to learn coming from only experience with hammer/worldcraft. they say its too different to learn once youve gotten to used to one or the other :(

yeah i wouldn't go with quark anyway; i'd stick with either the WC or radiant series. hammer could be worth a try if it's as simple to set up as alluded above but failing that, WC1.6 still works - i personally swear by it :) 

its funny you mention it. most of the download links to it are dead and i've been having a hard time trying to find a copy of wc 1.6a :P 

useful site. just tried the download on here and it works: http://www.quaketerminus.com/tools.shtml 

i have vista... wc 1.6a is not compatible for this OS :( and a virtual box wouldnt exactly be practical for mapping :( 

is that the program itself or just the installer? 

WC 3.3 with Vista no problem. I also had the dodgy 3D window issues until I found a patch - it was a .dll file that had to be dropped into the WC folder and then disable the texture filtering option...

Too tired to find the link just now but if you search in this thread it should be here somewhere. 

the patch. the dll file ur talking about, atioglxx.dll but it crashes worldcraft 3.3 on vista for me as soon as i open up a map or a new map window.... so i guess that fix doesnt work :( 

Sorry, can't help then... I'm on Vista and it runs fine, it was just the 3d window problem.

Stupid question - drivers up to date? 

i believe my drivers for my ATI video card are up to date, evne tho the card itself isnt the greatest but yeah. i even tried using hammer , and dragging the hammer 3.5 exe into the folder and running that. even it had the same issue.. :( 

I tried lots of editors and the easyest for me was Quark :\ but few people like this editor in here... 

Microsoft took it out of Vista and Windows7. I know because I had the same problem. I found a copy of this file somewhere and put it in the Worldcraft folder and the problem went away. It might work for you. The version of the .dll I have is dated &#8206;Monday, &#8206;July &#8206;14, &#8206;1997, &#8207;&#8206;11:00:00 AM.

That said, I recommend trying gtkRadiant. It only took me a day of fooling around to get used to it.

http://kneedeepinthedoomed.wordpress.com/tutorials/ 

Would go away with an open source version of WC.

Once I've got modelling tasks out of the way I'll probably give BSP editor a proper try.