You Can Overlap Brushes
#10389 posted by RickyT33 on 2010/10/19 23:22:42
It's fine. I do it loads! id software did it loads. It's a good way of saving brushes.
#10390 posted by necros on 2010/10/20 00:09:45
what metl said. if you have two brushes intersecting and their faces are sloped, you have to remember that the intersection will create vertices, and if those vertices (which are generated at bsp time) are not on the grid, they will be snapped to the grid and this is usually what causes all those weird problems like falling through the world or just plain bsp failure.
More Cd
#10391 posted by ranger on 2010/10/20 04:18:48
What engine?
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JoeQuake
Do you actually have a track 11?
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Quake sees track 11 as track 10/the last track;
try "cd play 2" in the console - it plays the Q theme
Does it work if you load it while a map is loaded?
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Yeah the song plays if I'm ingame (both menu & loaded level), but I have to type in "cd play 11"
CD or files?
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CD
Really?
#10392 posted by SleepwalkR on 2010/10/20 12:12:20
BSP snaps vertices to the grid, e.g. uses integer coordinates? That's ludicrous - why does it do that?
Lol - I'm No Coder
#10393 posted by RickyT33 on 2010/10/20 12:36:21
But is it because Quake .bsp doesn't support float?
It Does
#10394 posted by ijed on 2010/10/20 12:42:54
But the hull system doesn't, which is where it all goes to pot.
So
#10395 posted by SleepwalkR on 2010/10/21 07:24:25
bsp.exe does work with float coordinates, but rounds them to the nearest integer? And what do you mean by "the hull system doesn't"? Could you explain that a little more? Thanks!
Texture Application Trouble
#10396 posted by iluvquake on 2010/10/21 07:45:27
long story short i used the quake converter for worldcraft 3.3 , and was wondering why is it that when i use the texture application for a paticular face of a brush, or when i click the 3D window in general, it doesnt select anything at all? im sorry if this question was asked/answered before but it seems to be so obscure of a problem in terms of google. :(
any help is appreciated guys :D
Sleep
#10397 posted by necros on 2010/10/21 08:05:14
i think i might have been wrong in my post.
on reflection, perhaps bsp is not snapping vertices, but hull expansion just has a very hard time dealing with the off-grid vertices.
Iluvquake
#10398 posted by RickyT33 on 2010/10/21 10:54:07
Question:
Whent he error has occurred (you can select brushes) does the mouse cursor turn into a hand shape when you move it over the 2D frames?
If this is the case then all I can suggest is re-booting the computer, re-starting the editor sometimes works, try a different driver version for your graphics.
Its a known bug :( It used to happen to about 1 in every 10 times I opened the editor.
Texture Application Bug
#10399 posted by iluvquake on 2010/10/21 16:08:42
no. whats weird is i can select brushes from the non 3D brushes, but it will refuse to ever select a brush or face of a brush with any tool in the 3D view window making it near impossible to do some things feasibly. i really wish i knew how to fix this bug. i wanted to get back into mapping so bad and actually finish a map but this is a pretty showstopping glitch.
Ave You Tried Messing With The
#10400 posted by RickyT33 on 2010/10/21 16:21:17
"filter textures" setting in the options? This essentially enables/disables hardware acceleration. Did I already say to try a different driver version for your graphics?
Texture Application Bug
#10401 posted by iluvquake on 2010/10/21 20:37:18
I tried selecting brushes/faces of a brush in the 3D window with the setting obth checked and unchecked. I really didn't want to start messing with my hardware drivers though so I guess I'll just have to take the hint that mapping isn't for me. Thanks for the help though. :)
#10402 posted by RickyT33 on 2010/10/21 21:10:40
<quote>obth</quote>
WTF?!?!
What kind of graphics card do you have?
Necros
#10403 posted by SleepwalkR on 2010/10/21 21:24:49
Aren't hull coordinates short integers? That would explain that. I remember reading something about it, but may be wrong.
#10404 posted by rj on 2010/10/21 21:32:26
<quote>obth</quote>
i'm guessing both? ;)
I really didn't want to start messing with my hardware drivers though so I guess I'll just have to take the hint that mapping isn't for me. Thanks for the help though. :)
that's pretty rash. why not try a different editor?
Sleep
#10405 posted by necros on 2010/10/21 22:25:24
i have no idea. everything is from observations i've made and from what i recall reading from other, more code minded posters.
i've just found that when you have a bunch of sloping areas intersecting, you're tossing the dice as to whether it will be fine or not. sometimes you can have the most obscene brushwork and have it compile perfectly and sometimes the simplest junction, perhaps even just two faces, will explode.
this is where, i think, the whole 'don't overlap brushes' thing comes from.
Yeah
#10406 posted by ijed on 2010/10/22 00:54:47
The same - it just tends to muck stuff up, but I haven't built a compiler so don't know for sure.
Where's AguirRe?
#10407 posted by necros on 2010/10/22 02:38:05
what ever happened to aguirre's q2 work? he was doing an engine i think?
Texture Application Bug
#10408 posted by iluvquake on 2010/10/22 05:13:22
rj/#10404
i really wouldn't even know what would be the next best editor or how to get it setup :( i thought hammer might but im not even sure.
Yeah
#10409 posted by ijed on 2010/10/22 05:54:48
Haven't spoken to him in a long time. Last was to give notice of Willem's multi thread version of 'the' compilers.
Iluvquake
#10410 posted by ijed on 2010/10/22 05:58:00
It sounds like you've got hardware troubles - don't give up. Everyone on the board has suffered them at one time or another.
Ijed
#10411 posted by Iluvquake on 2010/10/22 08:51:10
well there isnt really any way for me to get any dif hardware, and id rather not muck around with installing dif drivers for my video card :/ i could go with a dif editor like hammer if i knew how to set it up for quake :( some people said quark but they say itd be really hard to learn coming from only experience with hammer/worldcraft. they say its too different to learn once youve gotten to used to one or the other :(
You Can Drop
#10412 posted by RickyT33 on 2010/10/22 10:17:02
"Hammer.exe" straight into your "Worldcraft" folder, and run it like that. Work for me :)
QERadiant is meant to be a very good editor for windows. I have never tried it, but people keep telling me it's as good or better than Worldcraft.
I dont know which version is the best to use for Quake1. Anyone? Link please?
QERadiant
#10413 posted by SleepwalkR on 2010/10/22 10:32:59
From all the editors I tried, this had the steepest learning curve, but once mastered, it felt the most natural. I was a LOT faster using Radiant than other editors, esp. WC, where you have to constantly change modes. I also gradually stopped using the vertex manipulation tool in favor of clipping brushes into shape, which is much faster and precise IMHO.
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