Quite honestly, Sock's maps have given me hours of enjoyment. I'd be more than willing to donate some wonga if he had one of those little paypal button "like my work?..." thingies on his site, as a token of my appreciation for the maps of his that I've already played.

I am aware that:

1) maybe I'm the only one who'd do this, so it'll never stand a chance of creating enough dosh to fund future work.

2) Some people might react the wrong way to it, i.e. donate some money and assume sock is now obligated to make more content for them, which isn't really how it works.

As for the more relevent question of "should I start a kickstarter for quake content" - I have no problem with the idea, but to make this work, the promised content would have to be extensive, and therefore to fund it (i.e. give up your day job to work on this), the funds needed would be way, way, way beyond what us dozen-or-so reprobates here would cough up.

That's for a big whopping "holy shit" episode though.

I don't think a kickstarter to make just a couple of maps would work because the money required (again to give up your day job to make a couple of maps lol) would still be very high, and also as people have said here, it goes against the spirit of the hobby quite a bit, so is rather unpopular. 

Very arrogant.

Yes - You're a pro
Yes - Your maps rock

BUT

To site your own maps as 'professional quality' somes across as arrogant. Reading between the lines, you are saying that your maps are better than the others. And that you deserve more money (or 'to be paid') for them, for all the great work you are doing for this community. Which comes across as arrogant.

So yeah - I flamed it.

In retrospect, I subsequently read the rest of the thread and some of what you were saying was a little less bullish than I had originally assumed. So I tried to retract some of the fiery-hot sentiment.

Sock: I assume you have played MY maps, and thought that they are of top quality...? :E 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D67iQ6T3U0 

Other than if I were to pay then I would expect the release quality / functionality (i.e. installing, lack of bugs, user options) to be fully professional. 

To site your own maps as 'professional quality' somes across as arrogant.

I disagree. In sock's case, it's a statement of facts.

Reading between the lines, you are saying that your maps are better than the others.

That is pure interpretation on your part. You want to read it that way. In fact, sock did not say anything about the quality of other mappers.

And that you deserve more money (or 'to be paid') for them, for all the great work you are doing for this community. Which comes across as arrogant.

There is no mention of "deserving" anything in sock's posts. He simply asked: Are people willing to shell out some cash for his maps. Most people said no. Case closed.

Sock: I assume you have played MY maps, and thought that they are of top quality...? :E

How does this thread have anything to do with your maps? Jaysus, bro. 

Better to ask for forgiveness than permission 

http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/i-LKwxqxQ/0/1050x10000/i-LKwxqxQ-1050x10000.jpg 

I disagree. In sock's case, it's a statement of facts.

This might be true, but no-one likes it when you say it yourself. Because it makes you sound arrogant.

That is pure interpretation on your part. You want to read it that way. In fact, sock did not say anything about the quality of other mappers.

I disagree, he sites his own maps a 'professional quality' which is separatist I think.

How does this thread have anything to do with your maps? Jaysus, bro.

(Sock, before)I am assuming you played all my maps and enjoyed them!</a> 

Shocking really, from a professional web designer :P 

I don't see anything offensive about it, moreover Sock seems like one of the most level-headed people on here (unlike for example, you, or me, heh). I think of professional quality as meaning, taking care of every last little detail. That is something I don't do; I tend to get impatient and just call things finished, although I held on to Wicked for an extra 6 months to do (most of) the tweaks that perfectionist-negke suggested (heh).

Sock's maps also seem planned in advance; frankly I just start drinking and start mapping and hope that eventually something reasonably interesting appears.

All of that said, Stark Monstrosity was awesome, one of the best base maps ever, possibly even the best one. 

just thought of something:
maybe we could crowdfund "resurrecting" mappers like Kell and Kinn ;) 

 

I'd absolutely pay 4 butts per 1 new czg map. 

20 bucks via Paypal if you manage to pull off a new Travail single-handedly (with a similar amount of levels and playtime), 30-40 if it's really good. Since I don't doubt it would be... ^^ 

It's difficult to read this thread and know that very many of you don't know very much at all about sock personally. 

not trying to creep that bro jaysus 

I've read the same amount of people pro and con so I don't think the case is closed as someone said.
I add that a Kickstarter project could only work according to the size of the project itself.. that would mean something as big as Travail,Nehahra,Zerstorer,FantasyQuake, therefore very mission-pack like. 

I don't play Quake anymore (and wouldn't pay for it even if i did). Consequently, I have never played a Sock map but I always read reviews here so can assume that the quality is of a very high standard.

This whole thing reminds me of when rugby union went professional in the UK. We had guys in the junior/amateur clubs asking for payment to play or to go training. The junior clubs were not in a position to do any such thing, so the goods players went off to seek their fortunes elsewhere, and the ordinary bods stayed where they were. Some of the better players made it in the 'big time', some didn't, but at least they tried. Meanwhile the junior clubs carried on as best they could, some folded, some amalgamated, some stayed exactly the same. But everybody who wanted to could still play rugby at whatever standard they were good enough for. The amateur clubs still don't pay players.

Ability is a leveller and time moves on.

And as for the donate button... yeh, right. 

"It's difficult to read this thread and know that very many of you don't know very much at all about sock personally."

How would knowing him personally change the equation? 

I agree,

and i would pay for another map from sock,czg,kinn
duh 

i would get it for free 

Of course all depends of how much, but if I know a fellow Quaker is with no job and this is a chance to get some money YES I'M WHOULD PAY SOME MONEY WITH NO PROBLEMS, is last map was really really fantastic. 

frankly I just start drinking and start mapping and hope that eventually something reasonably interesting appears.


Thats why i like your maps so much! 

I think sock has left the building. Don't blame him when some people are getting a bit personal.

Orb you might find your the next 'sock' (shoe?) if you didn't map while drunk :P 

I think Sock's stuff is so professional because that's just how he works; I tend to be satisfied if people even understand what I was going for and don't complain too much other than the difficulty. I also tend to work on several maps at once. I think a Sock-style map requires advance planning, huge attention to detail, and focusing just on one map at a time.