http://robotrenegade.com/radiant/manual/appndx/appn_b_2.htm#func 

Hi guys, brief question: Using Worldcraft 3 atm. Is it possible to increase the space available for a map? Limited to about 8k or so units.

A further quick question, is it possible to do moving liquids? :) 

Has moving water volumes, search for an idgames2 mirror - should be in there somewhere.

Bigger maps have been explored - Necros built outside, but AFAIK the space can't be used to play in.

It's very time consuming to make the entire available space playable though, unless you just want a massive flat plain. I came close with one of my maps.

Unless you're making a mod going outside the limits probably isn't that useful. 

Well, extras has water trains and a vertical only door type. 

Maybe it's in here somewhere:

http://www.gamers.org/pub/idgames2/

It was made by p0x and has a load of toys to mess with, like emissions. 

knew I had the link in pholly.txt..,

http://quake.chaoticbox.com/?tab=poxgoodies 

exploding barrels, stars, breakables, stairs, fountains, chaotic boxes. 

Maximum map size is a question of engine support. You can build stuff outside 4096x4096 and it'll show up in old engines, but you must keep the player away from the "line" or a massive HOM-like effect will occur.

If you require Darkplaces, FTE or something like it, then you can simply ignore the 4096x4096 restriction. However, you shouldn't go too far away from 0 0 0. You should be able to go 6000 units or so away from the center though without any noticeable side effects.

It is a pretty arbitrary restriction, really. 

Yeah I'm not making something that massive in geometry complexity or number of areas (it's very linear), just a lot of long or high areas.

Can hopefully post up a gameplay prototype soon, will really appriciate some feedback on the difficulty settings and such :) 

From -4096 to +4096 x/y/z 

right, although I said 6000 units out from 0 0 0 which is outside of that.

The vanilla quake limit is 4096 units outward from (0 0 0) in all directions, correct. 

plus, 8192x8192x8192 is only in relation to (0 0 0) - if you make a 6000x6000x6000 map (which technically fits inside the vanilla Quake boundaries) it can still break if it's not centered at (0 0 0). 

Well, the map is over entity limits so requires Fitz or Darkplaces, but I'll just keep within the geometry boundaries for simplicities sake then.

A question on difficulty settings by the way, what's the general feeling on power ups? At the moment the monster count is pretty much halved for easy, and the monsters that remain are weaker, but I'm afraid it might be a bit boring. Any feelings on keeping a fight similar in monster count but chucking in a quad + mega for easy? 

Removing enemies is ok, but more resources is better I find. Obviously, need to balance the two, but the second one tends to get ignored.

And killy stuff like quads are always fun. 

maps with Quad + SSG or SNG = lots of fun 

Do both. Halve the monster count *and* give extra stuff on easy. Then on Hard, remove some health and ammo and add some monsters. 

Don't be afraid that the map will be boring on easy, after all that's why it's easy - it might be boring for a skilled Quake player, but it won't be boring for a less skilled Quake player.

I always hate hard games, I played Quake since 96 and I used to be very good in 98-99 (playing pro in clans).

But even I do find sometimes that a lot of maps are actually hard even on easy ! Mappers needs to understand that they have 4 levels of difficulty.

You have nightmare - make this almost impossible to finish, so that only a very good player is able to finish it, throw there a lot of monsters, no health, etc. Make the player fight shambler with the axe, whatever it take.

Then you have hard - make this hard, but not impossible, people shouldn't run out of ammo and you shound't find yourself in a tiny run without covers fighting with vores.

Then it's normal - this should be challening, but not frustrating, it should be much easier than hard. Players should have good weapons, a decent suplly of ammo and enough health to not get into fight with low health.

And finally, you have easy. EASY - the name says it all - even a schoolgirl should be able to finish the level on easy, this is something that almost all mappers and game developers tend to forget - easy if for newbies, for people that don't even know the controls too well - you should have plenty of health there, powerfull ammo, powerups, red armor, everything.

Don't worry, you cannot make easy too easy. 

I'd say I'm a hardcore player, and I usually find most quake maps too easy, so I built the map designing fights with skill 2 in mind. I'm going back through it to fix each area up as you chaps suggest. By the sounds of it normal will actually be the difficulty to argue about...

Should have something for testing tomorrow anyhow :) 

It requires Quoth, and a limit removing engine (I've been using Fitzquake whilst making it).

It's mostly a bare shell, but I have at least thrown some lights in and used different textures so you can tell whats a floor or a wall :) Not interested in visual feedback right now, I want to nail the gameplay before I look into that.

It's a very linear, combat focused map, but I have attempted to vary the pacing and forms of combat throughout.

I've also attempted to support difficulty modes, but I'm not sure how well so please tell me what you think. Easy gets a lot of extra armour, megas, some powerups and extra geometry for some little jumping sections. Monster count: skill 0: 137, skill 1: 184, skill 2: 245

I'm hoping to make it the start of a series, which is why it's long but you don't get that much weaponry yet.

Sorry enough gabbling...


http://www.filefront.com/17282658/zqftest03s.bsp/ 

You should aways play your own maps on hard, then scale back to make normal and easy. It's a rule of thumb, pretty generic, but it seems to work.

id1 has many failings, but I said I wouldn't talk about the other project.

Zealous - is this a release? I can't play for a few hours yet (fuck you Hypnos).

If it then make it a news post. If not, then good on you for wanting feedback. 

 

I'm looking to finalise the gameplay before trying to make it pretty and release it.

I should have just posted it up in the Screenshots/betas thread :E 

true... I think on hard the first four rooms are nightmare!!! 

I think Normal and easy do need more toning down. The lightning trap area is the same on hard as normal which is pretty evil of me :E

Also causes trouble in the room with the two little computers because if you destroy them before killing the monsters you're kind of boned... so redesigning a bit. 

ZealousQuakeFan try it on Hard and map is a nightmare and boring... monsters coming everywhere... need a lot of monsters remove when you have a better version and if you want me to beta test just shoot... gameplay is my speciality ;) brushwork I suck but gameplay is my best!