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what the hell is ITS?
re poor distribution of quake on steam, the entire game is small enough that you could just make it standalone, if it was an episode. not sure of the legal ramifications. No...
As other mentioned already, I will not donate for a map, neither for a set of maps, even if those have professional looks. I think Quake mapping needs to remain a hobby. Involving some "commercial" or "financial" aspects lead to transform your hobby into your "job", and this changes the picture radically IMHO (pressure vs pleasure essentially). We have seen in the past some fantastic packs (e.g Travail, Beyond Beliefs, Zerstorer, etc...) or mods (e.g Quoth) made by hobbyists.. so why should we start funding one know ? All those have been created by volunteers, by fans, by passionate guys that love Quake, and that were just looking to keep our community alive, and give fun to the players, and have fun to create something different and new (Note I am not sure whether they have been funded to be honest, but what I am sure is that despite the fact we have wait for sometimes year those packs/mods are awesome). I admit we have less and less new things since several years, but that's the life of any game: it has to be forgotten at some points.. I am not sure either but look at the Doom community (I am talking about the former Doom/Doom2).. how many people are still playing mapping for this game now ? Almost less than for Quake I guess... though... but I guess you can count them on your two hands, as we can count us here. That's inevitable.. Anyway, sock you have certainly some good intentions there, and I wish you all the best for your project. Keep it up ! Quite honestly, Sock's maps have given me hours of enjoyment. I'd be more than willing to donate some wonga if he had one of those little paypal button "like my work?..." thingies on his site, as a token of my appreciation for the maps of his that I've already played.
I am aware that: 1) maybe I'm the only one who'd do this, so it'll never stand a chance of creating enough dosh to fund future work. 2) Some people might react the wrong way to it, i.e. donate some money and assume sock is now obligated to make more content for them, which isn't really how it works. As for the more relevent question of "should I start a kickstarter for quake content" - I have no problem with the idea, but to make this work, the promised content would have to be extensive, and therefore to fund it (i.e. give up your day job to work on this), the funds needed would be way, way, way beyond what us dozen-or-so reprobates here would cough up. That's for a big whopping "holy shit" episode though. I don't think a kickstarter to make just a couple of maps would work because the money required (again to give up your day job to make a couple of maps lol) would still be very high, and also as people have said here, it goes against the spirit of the hobby quite a bit, so is rather unpopular. Very arrogant.
Yes - You're a pro Yes - Your maps rock BUT To site your own maps as 'professional quality' somes across as arrogant. Reading between the lines, you are saying that your maps are better than the others. And that you deserve more money (or 'to be paid') for them, for all the great work you are doing for this community. Which comes across as arrogant. So yeah - I flamed it. In retrospect, I subsequently read the rest of the thread and some of what you were saying was a little less bullish than I had originally assumed. So I tried to retract some of the fiery-hot sentiment. Sock: I assume you have played MY maps, and thought that they are of top quality...? :E Other than if I were to pay then I would expect the release quality / functionality (i.e. installing, lack of bugs, user options) to be fully professional.
To site your own maps as 'professional quality' somes across as arrogant.
I disagree. In sock's case, it's a statement of facts. Reading between the lines, you are saying that your maps are better than the others. That is pure interpretation on your part. You want to read it that way. In fact, sock did not say anything about the quality of other mappers. And that you deserve more money (or 'to be paid') for them, for all the great work you are doing for this community. Which comes across as arrogant. There is no mention of "deserving" anything in sock's posts. He simply asked: Are people willing to shell out some cash for his maps. Most people said no. Case closed. Sock: I assume you have played MY maps, and thought that they are of top quality...? :E How does this thread have anything to do with your maps? Jaysus, bro. I disagree. In sock's case, it's a statement of facts.
This might be true, but no-one likes it when you say it yourself. Because it makes you sound arrogant. That is pure interpretation on your part. You want to read it that way. In fact, sock did not say anything about the quality of other mappers. I disagree, he sites his own maps a 'professional quality' which is separatist I think. How does this thread have anything to do with your maps? Jaysus, bro. (Sock, before)I am assuming you played all my maps and enjoyed them!</a> I don't see anything offensive about it, moreover Sock seems like one of the most level-headed people on here (unlike for example, you, or me, heh). I think of professional quality as meaning, taking care of every last little detail. That is something I don't do; I tend to get impatient and just call things finished, although I held on to Wicked for an extra 6 months to do (most of) the tweaks that perfectionist-negke suggested (heh).
Sock's maps also seem planned in advance; frankly I just start drinking and start mapping and hope that eventually something reasonably interesting appears. All of that said, Stark Monstrosity was awesome, one of the best base maps ever, possibly even the best one. just thought of something:
maybe we could crowdfund "resurrecting" mappers like Kell and Kinn ;) 20 bucks via Paypal if you manage to pull off a new Travail single-handedly (with a similar amount of levels and playtime), 30-40 if it's really good. Since I don't doubt it would be... ^^
It's difficult to read this thread and know that very many of you don't know very much at all about sock personally.
I've read the same amount of people pro and con so I don't think the case is closed as someone said.
I add that a Kickstarter project could only work according to the size of the project itself.. that would mean something as big as Travail,Nehahra,Zerstorer,FantasyQuake, therefore very mission-pack like. I don't play Quake anymore (and wouldn't pay for it even if i did). Consequently, I have never played a Sock map but I always read reviews here so can assume that the quality is of a very high standard.
This whole thing reminds me of when rugby union went professional in the UK. We had guys in the junior/amateur clubs asking for payment to play or to go training. The junior clubs were not in a position to do any such thing, so the goods players went off to seek their fortunes elsewhere, and the ordinary bods stayed where they were. Some of the better players made it in the 'big time', some didn't, but at least they tried. Meanwhile the junior clubs carried on as best they could, some folded, some amalgamated, some stayed exactly the same. But everybody who wanted to could still play rugby at whatever standard they were good enough for. The amateur clubs still don't pay players. Ability is a leveller and time moves on. And as for the donate button... yeh, right. "It's difficult to read this thread and know that very many of you don't know very much at all about sock personally."
How would knowing him personally change the equation?
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