#52 posted by JneeraZ on 2015/03/29 19:54:44
[ works for me ... that's weird!
What ...
#53 posted by Cocerello on 2015/03/30 10:09:57
works for you?
Forget The Question
#54 posted by Cocerello on 2015/03/30 10:10:25
#55 posted by WizardExt on 2015/03/30 13:11:21
@Cocerello
Thank you, I had lots of fun!
about grid-size shortcuts..
[ works, aswell as -/+. But I really appreciate recent additional shortcuts for decrease/increase grid that exist in recent Hammer versions. Something that speeds up workflow, very accessible.
about moving objects that are off-grid:
Rotating something won't snap it to the grid. The only snapping then would be the angle snap. I am not following you fully, how can you have the group being off grid and the brushes making up the group being on grid? Groups don't function that way? Anyway, the way I suggest is how it works in recent Hammer version.
And there is freedom to choose; if you want to move something off-grid, you can toggle off "snap to grid" or move objects using Alt pressed.
#56 posted by JneeraZ on 2015/03/30 13:22:24
A more advanced suggestion:
A lot of the more advanced rotation operations require making a large brush that can be used to fake a pivot point for the rotation of a group of objects.
It would be awesome if, say, you could middle click in the viewport and define a temporary pivot location. Then all scaling/rotation operations happen around that point rather than the center of the selected group of brushes/entities.
Allow for a quick way to clear that temporary pivot and it will revert to the current way of doing things.
Please? :)
#57 posted by XaeroX on 2015/03/30 16:26:35
Rotational/scaling pivot is very nice idea. I'll think of it. :)
#58 posted by Cocerello on 2015/03/30 18:18:54
About [, i'll check it more in other computers. Maybe it is an issue of incompatibilities between the languages in keyboards or OS incompatibilities, who knows!
WizardExt
I haven't explained myself well: it is more like sometimes is better to have them off-grid for some calculations when vertex manipulation is used a lot on a rotated brush in a non 45 or 90 angle, even more with some more complex brushes.
Check the brushes around four of the spawn points in my first map submitted for the contest when we had them published to see an example of where i needed that. It has to do with using irregular prisms with quadrangular base for some complex structures.
And there is freedom to choose; if you want to move something off-grid, you can toggle off "snap to grid" or move objects using Alt pressed.
Where can you toggle off it? Haven't seen that, and want to use it.
I haven't explained myself well again: Yeah, right now there is freedom, but if you make it so they snap automatically when moving like i think you were asking for, the mapper loses the freedom to choose. But my words are invalidated if you say there is an option to revert it back aside from Ctrl+Z.
XaeroX
TB2 uses a handle that you can freely place by dragging its center point around. It works quite well, people have done some cool (and to me, unexpected) stuff with it:
http://t.co/xVHumtHPyN
http://t.co/Mwd5t26ILQ
Yeah.. Maybe
#60 posted by XaeroX on 2015/03/31 11:27:04
Never saw TB in action. I'm scared of it because it doesn't have 2d viewports, for me it's the same as a car without a steering wheel. Althouth I believe such car can be very handy. :)
Btw, JH has an ability to rotate a brush around a vertex pivot. Just enter Vertex Manipulation mode, select all the vertices, press RMB on some vertex and drag it.
No 2D Views
I got convinced by people that 2D views are better for some things, so TB2 will have them, too.
The vertex pivot thing is interesting. Which axis does it rotate about? Maybe this would also be useful for brush edges so that you can easily rotate a brush about one of its edges. I think someone requested that feature for TB a while back.
Since It Rotates In A 2D View
#62 posted by XaeroX on 2015/03/31 14:28:48
The choice of axis is straightforward.
After some tests in JH I've remembered that rotation pivot is arbitrary. ^^ Just click any point in 2D with RMB and rotate the whole thing aroung it.
Scaling relative to an arbitrary pivot is also possible. Hit Alt+E in vertex manipulation mode and drag the blue circle (this is a pivot).
Well, yes, I often forget the things I've coded some time ago.. :(
#63 posted by JneeraZ on 2015/03/31 15:41:29
Yep, I'm Sure
#64 posted by XaeroX on 2015/03/31 16:52:07
But first of all, enable Vertex Manipulation mode. :)
#65 posted by JneeraZ on 2015/03/31 17:03:39
Ahhh OK ... now I see it. Thx!
#66 posted by WizardExt on 2015/03/31 17:46:05
Wow I just tried it. It's a really nice feature! :)
#67 posted by JneeraZ on 2015/05/26 11:56:32
Please make selections part of the undo buffer. It's maddening when you deselect something, hit undo by reflex to get it back, and it undoes something you did earlier instead.
Well, Maybe As An Option
#68 posted by XaeroX on 2015/06/06 22:18:27
Selections and object properties (which are currently also non-undoable) will blow the undo buffer up.
#69 posted by JneeraZ on 2015/06/06 23:34:19
Have a limit. Most apps will give you an option where you can set the number of undos you want. So if someone has a monster machine, they can jack the number up higher.
Also, something I've seen done is clearing the undo buffer whenever the map is saved. ToeTag does that...
So Does TB
Also, there really is no need to limit the undo buffer. You can collate subsequent actions into one (for example, you can collate 5 subsequent transforms if they happen within a certain amount of time) and the actual information you have to store is quite small for most operations in a level editor.
Oh God No!
#71 posted by XaeroX on 2015/07/06 00:13:30
>>clearing the undo buffer whenever the map is saved
This is the most evil feature I've ever encounetered.
Once I've lost my work in Excel after occasional Del followed by Ctrl+S instead of Ctrl+Z!
#72 posted by JneeraZ on 2015/07/06 00:25:07
Whether it's more or less evil than only including certain actions in the undo/redo buffer is a debate for another time then. ;)
#73 posted by XaeroX on 2015/07/07 15:01:18
Well, excluding selections from undo buffer can't be fatal as compared to deleting or modifying objects, you can always select again and you can't break the work with unwanted selection.
As for entity properties, well yes, this is evil. But afaik VHE doesn't undo them too, and I was too lazy to implement it since it doesn't fit well to my undo system. :(
#74 posted by JneeraZ on 2015/07/07 15:10:08
:-/
Am I Missing Something Here?
#75 posted by Orl on 2015/07/07 19:03:10
I have always been able to undo everything I've done with Jackhammer after saving a map with no problem.
#76 posted by JneeraZ on 2015/07/07 19:25:49
Yes, you're missing something. The previous 10 posts or so should clear it up.
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