It turns out I was downloading quoth2pt2full.zip which had an older (2014) pak2.pak than quoth2pt2patch.zip (2015).
Preach updated both the full and patch zips (thanks!), so you may want to download the patch if your pak2.pak is modified in 2014.
Ooh, I didn't know that. I have the full version so I'd better check it out.
No wonder I had so much trouble with the last jam.
Umm, you mean map jam 7, I suppose? The last one runs in AD.
Someone just told me that doing -game warpspasm -quoth doesn't play the startdemos.
I know this wasn't on purpose.
I wonder if there are any other standalone-like releases like The Living End or such that are also impacted.
I'm just raising awareness of the change of behavior.
/I will probably have Mark V block loading of Quoth 2.2 pak2.pak (just have it load up pak0 and pak1) for Warpspasm eventually, since you implemented a very organized structure for falling back to the previous version.
The full zip on Preach's blog still has the pak2 file from 2014?!
Not for me, I just dl'ed it again and the pak2.pak is modified nov 2016. The link on https://tomeofpreach.wordpress.com/quoth/
Maybe some kind of caching issue?
Maybe is time for Quoth 2.3 since Quoth 2.2 can have so many different meanings.
The March 2015 and Nov 2016 pak2.pak's are identical (just checked with 'diff').. so I guess March 2015 is the actual last modification date.
I re-installed Quoth 2.2 last week, my pak2.pak is same as negke's (May 3 2014) from Quaddicted.
And if you look at this page, and the file dates for the pak files ...
There have been in effect two "point releases" of Quoth since 2014, each of which fixed one bug that occurred rarely but was troubling. They really should have been called 2.2.1 and 2.2.2 but it's too late now. Quaddicted has the original zip (2.2.0), the version on my site has the updated one (2.2.2). I think Quaddicted is the only major mirror of the mod, so if that can be updated then it should all be fine.
When I go to download this file ...
Which ericw says has pak2.pak dated November 2016, like negke the contents say May 2014 for me.
So I open entirely different web browser than normal to make sure and download. Same problem. May 3, 2014 :(
Dumb question: As I understand it, Quaketastic doesn't let you delete or replace ... so can't be an internet caching issue (like what CloudFlare does) because same file couldn't have upload twice with same name?
Replacement On Quaketastic
As I understand it, Quaketastic doesn't let you delete or replace
It does, and that's what I did. Maybe your ISP has some kind of caching layer which is messing this up?
which has a different filename so should circumvent those issues.
Ok, you replaced it. That makes a great deal of sense then, very likely is network backbone-level caching. Which can be a real pain.
I just downloaded the file and it's May 2014 still.
Probably should have a couple of other people other than myself check it out because I'd feel real bad if somehow it is just me.
Like negke since he reported the problem.
(I did not click a wrong link, I assure you and I downloaded it twice).
I just downloaded the link in post #65
Inside is a text file called quoth2_2.txt
Inside that is a legal notice including the date "May 2014"
oh, but it does have a pak2.pak with a date of 11/11/2016
Ok, just me. Ignore me. Important thing is problem solved.
Maybe caching works with a database that ignores punctuation and hashes the alphanumerics.
Not Just You Baker
Just downloaded it for the 1st time with the link in #65 and got pak2.pak, 8.0 MB from May 3rd 2014 @05:24
So this REALLY is the most recent file though?
Have you extracted the file and checked if it displays the same modified date? Perhaps there's some glitch with the zip if you overwrite the file within a zip which puts the archive goes out of sync with the actual file - and that might cause the displayed date to be OS dependent.
Then again, maybe the OS dependency will also appear on the extracted file. Here are some file hashes to check for pak2.pak:
Perhaps there's some glitch with the zip if you overwrite the file within a zip which puts the archive goes out of sync with the actual file
To clarify, because it looks like I've written this sentence in the second person. When I made the zip file, I didn't rebuild the zip from scratch. Instead, I too the original zip and overwrote the pak2.pak file from 2.2.1 with the 2.2.2 pak file, using Windows Explorer. I'm speculated that this could cause a glitch, especially one that isn't apparent from a Windows POV.
Today I learned that there's still someone out there who uses Windows Explorer to handle .zip files.
Considering that "proper" archive tools can sometimes struggle and choke up when making changes, I always choose to completely recreate my archives when I update them. Even if that means just extracting the old one, adding in the new files/replacing the out of date ones, and recompressing it, it's just a little peace of mind that I like to have when releasing content...
I feel like a lot of the issues in recent posts could have been helped by keeping different versions of Quoth more distinct from each other in this manner. Another help might have been to keep unique file names, if it is some sort of web caching interfering with downloads.