#48 posted by necros on 2011/07/29 19:27:31
hm... ever since i started playing with gl_texturemode 3, i can't stand the sight of the blurred bilinear filtered textures. :P
Nitin
#49 posted by starbuck on 2011/08/06 00:10:11
I'm afraid my e1m2 retexture attempt ( http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/screen_shots/e1m2_tex3.jpg ) died a death when my laptop got stolen.
Glad you enjoyed the idbase textures though, I was very happy that the response from everyone here was so positive, considering most people (like me) are predisposed against retexture packs.
#50 posted by necros on 2011/08/06 00:29:08
that looks AWESOME. wow. fully high res yet unmistakably the original texture!
real shame about the theft. :(
That Is A Shame
#51 posted by nitin on 2011/08/06 03:10:51
would have loved to see that.
When Will You Ever Learn
that you have to make daily backups! Sorry to hear about the laptop, that picture looks really great.
Thanks!
#53 posted by starbuck on 2011/08/07 06:40:52
and yeah... lesson learned :/
Mine
#54 posted by erc on 2011/08/09 16:35:09
FitzQuake 0.85 @ 1024x768 - 16xQ CSAA.
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gl_flashblend 0
gl_polyblend 1
gl_overbright 1
gl_overbright_models 0
gl_texture_anisotropy 16
gl_texturemode 3
host_maxfps 120
r_lerpmodels 1
r_lerpmove 1
r_particles 2
r_shadows 0.4
r_wateralpha 0.4
scr_clock 3
scr_showfps 1
scr_sbaralpha 0.5
vid_refreshrate 85
vid_vsync 1
#55 posted by mh on 2011/08/11 00:55:18
hm... ever since i started playing with gl_texturemode 3, i can't stand the sight of the blurred bilinear filtered textures. :P
Ha ha, I know the feeling. Compare health boxes with and without filtering - without is just so much more crisp and clean.
Welcome to the club. :)
Is
#56 posted by nitin on 2011/08/11 02:39:51
that just linear_mipmap_linear?
#57 posted by necros on 2011/08/22 03:50:08
GL_NEAREST
or maybe something like GL_NEAREST_MIPMAP_NEAREST ?
uh, well, unless linear is the same as nearest? i don't know much about the terminology
Necros
#59 posted by mh on 2011/08/22 15:14:53
GL_NEAREST_MIPMAP_NEAREST should be preferable as software Quake used 4 miplevels. For best accuracy the engine should also restrict mipmaps to at most 4 levels too. With GL_NEAREST you're going to be getting a lot of noise and aliasing artefacts on far off surfaces.
So
#60 posted by nitin on 2011/08/22 15:18:49
if I understand this right, GL_NEAREST_MIMPMAP_NEAREST increases pixelisation but also detail?
#61 posted by Spirit on 2011/08/22 15:39:43
Generally GL_LINEAR and GL_LINEAR_* filters will blur. GL_NEAREST and GL_NEAREST_* will give you pixels.
GL_NEAREST will give you a lot of flickering and ugly patterns.
The differences between GL_NEAREST_MIPMAP_NEAREST and GL_NEAREST_MIPMAP_LINEAR are almost invisible. Try the outside on marcher.
I guess the first part of the string is the non-mipmapped texture and the ending is for the filtering of the mipmaps?
#62 posted by necros on 2011/08/22 18:41:37
just make sure to turn on anisotropy for mipmaps! it makes a world of difference and unlike linear and bilinear filtering, works very well with old school low-res art.
How Would One Do That?
In fact I have no idea if I have that enabled.
#64 posted by necros on 2011/08/22 19:10:00
r_anisotropy 16 to set it to highest in fq/qs.
some engines don't have it (or the command is different) but you can always force this kind of setting in your ati/nvidia driver config menus.
#65 posted by metlslime on 2011/08/22 20:59:59
gl_texture_anisotropy in fitzquake (and darkplaces i think)
#66 posted by gb on 2011/08/22 21:56:47
Since all my maps use QRP textures, and I also have them installed for id1, I always use GL_LINEAR_MIPMAP_LINEAR. It just looks best to me.
#67 posted by necros on 2011/08/22 22:03:33
gl_texture_anisotropy in fitzquake (and darkplaces i think)
oops, i totally got that one wrong. :x
Will Have To Try This
#68 posted by nitin on 2011/08/23 03:51:47
have been using GL_LINEAR_MIPMAP_LINEAR with 16x anisotropy since forever.
#69 posted by mh on 2011/08/29 12:25:48
I guess the first part of the string is the non-mipmapped texture and the ending is for the filtering of the mipmaps?
Not really, Quake's options are a bit misleading as they don't really reflect the way texturing works.
You've got two basic types of filtering on a texture - what happens when the texture is magnified and what happens when it's minified (a third relates to how miplevels are blended). The setting as exposed in Quake is just that for minification, but a magnification filter is kinda derived from it.
So, GL_*_MIPMAP_* - what does it mean? The second part refers to how an appropriate mipmap is chosen, and the first refers to how the correct texel is chosen from that mipmap. GL_LINEAR_MIPMAP_NEAREST for example will just pick the closest miplevel in size for the pixel being textured, then take a weighted average of 4 texels from that miplevel. GL_NEAREST_MIPMAP_LINEAR picks the two closest miplevels, then takes a nearest neighbour sample from each, and produces a weighted average of those two samples for the final result.
It's quite legal to have a magnification filter of GL_LINEAR but a minification filter of GL_NEAREST (or GL_NEAREST_MIPMAP_*) - Quake just doesn't allow it. Instead it grabs the first part of the minification filter and forces you to use that.
#70 posted by Spirit on 2011/08/29 19:31:09
Wow, after carefully reading this twice today (I think) I actually understood it. Thank you very much!
While we are on the topic, how does one change the texturemode in DirectQ (if that is possible)? I saw some gl_ variables (and was surprised and thankful for I guess the config compatibility) but none for texturemode.
#71 posted by mh on 2011/08/30 22:25:05
gl_texturemode is there, I've kept the same names as OpenGL uses for it (for consistency), it has TAB autocompletion on ("gl_texturemode gl"+TAB - >grin<) and is also accessible in the video options menu (although it's called "texture filter" and "mipmap filter" in there).
#72 posted by Spirit on 2011/08/30 22:58:40
Oh, silly me was using version 1.3 without noticing... 1.8.8. sadly does not run in Wine (failed to create smokepuff texture) and my laptop has no Pixel Shaders so no go for me. BUT I just needed to know if and how, so thanks!
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