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Posted by Baker on 2012/06/29 11:38:17 |
I wasn't planning on doing this mini-project, it started as an effort to address some Fitzquake issues, fix them the right way up to Fitzquake standards (i.e. do it right, once and properly versus continual releases) and donate it back.
FitzQuake Mark V Download:
http://quake-1.com/docs/utils/fitzquake_mark_v.zip
Short version: Eliminated most issues in FitzQuake thread, most issues I can even remember hearing of ever and marked every single one clearly with a very minimal implementation.
It may be the case that only metlslime and Quakespasm and engine coders may find this engine upgrade of interest.
Features: 5 button mouse support, single pass video mode, external mdl textures, alpha textures (like RMQ), record demo at any time, rotation support, video capture (bind "capturevideo toggle"), console to clipboard, screenshot to clipboard, entities to clipboard, tool_texturepointer, tool_inspector (change weapons to see different info), clock fix, contrast support, fov does not affect gun, gun displays onscreen, Quakespasm wrong content protection, external ent support, session-to-session history and .. (see readme). |
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FOV
#74 posted by mh on 2012/07/20 21:58:35
I have to respectfully disagree with the rationale just given for not fixing up FOV. The reality is that hardware has moved on since 1996, and widescreen is now the norm. My own experience is that fixed-up FOV is a basic player expectation and not a fancy engine feature that's only of technical interest - I have a fairly large amount of positive feedback from people who specifically mention fixed-up FOV as a feature that they welcome.
Fixed-up FOV can be implemented without changing the defaults or other behaviour of the FOV cvar. FOV 90 will still give you the correct horizontal and vertical FOV for your chosen resolution and aspect, so everything can still work as expected.
320x200 resolution was not an aesthetic choice, it was a technical one. 320x200 was the old standard VGA mode 13h, meaning that it was the one display mode that was just guaranteed to work on everything. If that mode had been any other resolution, then that hypothetical other resolution would have been Quake's default.
#75 posted by metlslime on 2012/07/20 22:52:43
If widescreen really is the norm, just set FOV to default to 105 instead of 90. This gives correct behavior on a clean install, and doesn't override existing users configs that already have ~105 in their config.cfg or autoexec.cfg
#76 posted by metlslime on 2012/07/20 22:54:04
note that this probably means putting in a hack to ignore the default.cfg value for FOV, if there is one. But messiness under the hood may be worth it if the user experience is your highest goal.
#77 posted by sikkpin on 2012/07/20 23:14:43
Why not just add a cvar to toggle between using absolute and aspect corrected fov, having absolute set as the default.
#78 posted by metlslime on 2012/07/21 00:16:14
the question is whether new users will have to change their configs, or whether existing users will have to change their configs. Any cvar like that would require one set of people to change their configs.
The Problem Is...
#79 posted by mh on 2012/07/21 00:40:37
A large percentage of players aren't even aware that the FOV setting exists, or - even if they are - that it can be used to correct for widescreen (the same applies to +mlook). Those that are aware of it can always re-adjust. I suggest doing some research around the usual suspects such as the Steam forums, etc, for info on the specific problems that people have with Quake; these make great targets for fixing in any engine that aims at being accessible to players. Find what prevents people from getting into the game, fix it, and problems go away. This is the same philosophy behind removing the necessity for (but not the existence of) command-line options. Identify the barriers to entry, remove them, otherwise you're just developing for a captive audience who already know everything inside-out and are therefore not bothered by this stuff (and nor are they appropriate people to pass comment on how these things should be handled).
Regarding configs, the obvious solution is engine-specific configs. The old QuakeDev forums raised this as a point that was widely addressed in Q2 ports but all but ignored in Q1. It enables more peaceful engine cohabitation by ensuring that settings specific to one engine don't wreck another.
Again, it depends on who you're developing for. The same old group of people who will always use your engine no matter what, or are you trying to reach out to new players?
#80 posted by necros on 2012/07/21 02:41:59
engine-specific configs
oh my god, yes! or use /documents/mygames/engineName/modName/config.cfg
#81 posted by necros on 2012/07/21 02:42:22
documents / mygames / engineName / modName / config.cfg
I Have To Admit, I Think MH Is Right
#82 posted by RickyT33 on 2012/07/21 20:19:15
I've seen his implementation of it, and it looks superior to anything else when it comes to the weapon being in the right place. Methinks. :E
My Thoughts Were Incomplete
#83 posted by Baker on 2012/07/22 00:11:48
MH is right as not having widescreen correction eats away at vertical FOV, narrowing the range of what is on-screen vertically. FOV was never intended to penalize vertical visibly, it was just that everyone used 4:3 resolution in the CRT era (640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, etc.)
This is a flaw.
New Version: Revision 6
#84 posted by Baker on 2012/07/22 14:12:28
Download: http://quake-1.com/docs/utils/fitzquake_mark_v.zip
Readme: http://quake-1.com/docs/utils/fitzquake_mark_v.txt
Widescreen FOV correction, dynamic lights properly affect moved/rotated brush models, dynamic light bleed-through fix.
All entities are colormapped (colored dead bodies, etc. - like if in coop and you die or play against bots, etc.)
Demo rewind (PGDN) and fast forward (PGUP) of any demo the user plays via "playdemo"(and pause pressing pause key).
(The startup demo sequence is not user-initiated and that sequence is not meant to be paused or messed with as it is a game preview.
You must use the playdemo command like "playdemo demo1" to have demo pause/rewind/fast forward available.)
Revision 7
#85 posted by Baker on 2012/07/31 14:25:20
mp3 tracks support. And boring stuff you won't care about, although documented in the readme.
Download: http://quake-1.com/docs/utils/fitzquake_mark_v.zip
Readme: http://quake-1.com/docs/utils/fitzquake_mark_v.txt
Baker
#86 posted by spy on 2012/07/31 14:44:55
what about that infamous whiteroom bugfix
i assume thats still not fixed
#87 posted by Baker on 2012/07/31 15:01:35
It's on the to-do list. I haven't worked through the potential solutions. I understand the underlying issue involved as szo and MH explained what causes the problem.
#88 posted by Spirit on 2012/07/31 15:27:37
fitzquake_mark_v_r7.zip please
#89 posted by Baker on 2012/07/31 16:09:02
I followed the same naming pattern, I kinda of thought you'd know the URL but still ...
http://quake-1.com/docs/utils/fitzquake_mark_v_r7.zip
Keeps Crashing/freezing My Computer
#90 posted by kaffikopp on 2012/10/30 15:55:07
Hi, loving the fov/gun/various other fixes in this, especially the clock fix so that the game runs at the proper speed, however as with your "Fitzquake Plus" I keep having an annoying issue - after playing for a while, the game freezes up completely, with the last sounds played looping over and over, then after a few seconds the screen turns a solid color and the sound a single tone. I can't ctrl+alt+del or do anything other than forcing a shutdown by holding down the power button. Previously this has only occured after playing for an hour or so, but today it happened after just a few minutes. I assume it has something to do with my computer having multiple cores, but I can't really pinpoint the problem. It's an ASUS G73JH laptop which I've had for two years, and I think it has only frozen up/crashed two-three times if I'm not taking these Fitzquake issues into account.
Here are my system specs:
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Intel Core i7 Q 720 @ 1.60GHz, 1600 Mhz, quad-core
6GB Installed RAM
ATI Radeon HD5870, 1GB VRAM
And my Fitzquake command-line parameters:
-width 1920 -height 1080 -bpp 32 -zonesize 2048 -heapsize 12800
I haven't played using Fitzquake 0.85 for long enough to see if it'll happen there as well, as I have the clock bug with it running too fast - that's why I've used Fitzquake Plus in the past, and now Mark V. Any input/advice on this is much appreciated.
It's probably worth while to test using another engine (eg Quakespasm or FitzQuake0.85) to check that the problem is not one of bad hardware/overheating.
If That Is REALLY Your Command Line
#92 posted by Baker on 2012/11/03 22:10:30
Then you should be using:
-heapsize 12800
That means 12800 KB. Which is about 12 MB.
Although not a sure thing, this is likely why you are crashing.
Gah!
#93 posted by Baker on 2012/11/03 22:11:27
"Then you should be using: " = "Then you should NOT be using:" obviously ...
/Pays the price of not previewing post for 567th time.
Whoops
#94 posted by kaffikopp on 2012/11/04 00:22:13
Seems like I managed to leave out a 0, it should indeed say 128000.
Seems like I paid the price even after proofreading!
Also My Vocabulary Sucks
#95 posted by kaffikopp on 2012/11/04 00:23:38
131072
Will give you a nice round 128 MB heap.
I'd Give Quakespasm A Try Then
#97 posted by Baker on 2012/11/04 02:07:58
The laptop I used when I was working on Fitz Mark V has virtually the same specs as your machine (graphics, Intel, Win 7 64, etc.)
I don't have any ideas on why you would have this issue, I will say that Fitz 0.85 should run on your machine if you do the "set affinity trick".
Go to Task Manager running Fitz 0.85 and select fitzquake085.exe and do Select Affinity and select "cpu 0" only. Then Fitz 0.85 will run ok without the clock issue.
http://i.techrepublic.com.com/gallery/6327615-577-460.jpg
The "clock fix" is just the standard deal that is used by engines like JoeQuake, ezQuake, etc. There isn't anything supernatural about it, it just uses a different Windows API call to get the time. I might have even used the code from DirectQ.
In fact, you might try DirectQ. Considering the quirky nature of the problem you have, it could be an OpenGL drivers kind of thing and DirectQ uses Direct3D:
http://mhquake.blogspot.com/ (Downloads on the right side of page)
#98 posted by kaffikopp on 2012/11/04 19:01:00
Was about to post that after changing my heapsize to 131072 I had played through several maps without crashing... and then everything froze as I quit the program. Joy.
I guess I could just use Quakespasm of course, but after having been away from singleplayer Quake for far too long, instead having played coop using EzQuake, I have become accustomed to how that engine looks and feels. I think Mark V captures this feel well with the widescreen fov and viewmodel corrections.
For comparison, here's how my screen looks using fov 130 with FitzQuake 0.85 and Mark V, and also r_viewmodelfov 130 for the latter.
Incredibly minor detail, and maybe I'm just imagining it, but movement feels much smoother with the corrections.
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