Why did Kell provide Quoth2 if his intention was not to finish the stuff ?

It is gonna be finished. Just because your map was quicker to make doesn't mean it's abandoned.

ps: All people making maps for this, please e-mail andrew.denner@btinternet.com sometime soon so I have a current mailing list. 

MadFox talk like this before he already release os map... so he dont give a shit.... what he will release in base pack is a copy with some modificacion... 

Unfortunately, it seems you have some memory loss: I remind you that the pack has been planned for Xmas 2006, then delayed to April 1st 2007, then delayed again, and again....
So IMHO, it is not a question of being faster than others (I could have wait for a week or 2, even a month...), it is just a matter of doing what has been said.... I can accept people ask for 1 or 2 more weeks (e.g Vertical Map pack..), but being stucked like we've been, come on, it is not serious :P
Anyway, I'm just observing what happened these last days, and unfortunately for you guys, and in my opinion, the story is far to be finished... ;P Good luck... 

http://www.fourteenballstoy.co.uk/flogger350x450.jpg 

nice one Spirit!!! very eluciditive ;) 

I wouldn't have got involved in this latest round
of recrimination if it wasn't for a glaring public misperception expressed in post #890. Of course Kell is involved and committed to the project, I was recruited by him! 

i now people got they owns lives... and real life is much much important than this! but he didn�t ask for nothing.... and base pack wasn�t even quoth first idear... people just ask to be... i just wish people talk more rather then ignore to get a resulucion like was made with Preach :) thks god! the savior!!! 

Thanks. 

just release it before this thread counts 1000 posts! include the release candidate of quoth v2.0, enabling only the working features, and be done with it. 

 

trinca, please stop your flaming as you do in #899. As I wrote in the beginning of this toppic I asaked Kell on Mirc if it would be possible to add the end boss to this base pack.
This was not an easy thing, he said.
So I had already let you know I would release it as a stand alone, and would participate on quote monsters.
As the whole thing took so long things went different.

But what I just don't get is your hars comments as if you want to make people bred while you yourself ought to know it are the wrong people your blaming.
You son't know where I'm working on at the moment and as far I can see you don't give a damn! I tried to support you but you're responding with lazyness.

Alright, if you have the feeling I just want to
participate on a map everyone has already seen, go ahead, be my day, but I do not have the feeling you realy care.
You never took advantage to ask Kell or Necros,
not in this toppic and not on Mirc. So why are you blaming me?

And don't, don't ever talk sh!t on me again! 

...

man i�m 36 year old...

just that i say! 

AND I�M NOT FUCKING SPANISH

I�M PORTUGUESE 

http://criss.site.voila.fr/vue/returntolorien.jpg
http://criss.site.voila.fr/vue/alongtheriver.jpg
http://criss.site.voila.fr/vue/alongtheriver2.jpg
http://criss.site.voila.fr/vue/kayana.jpg
http://criss.site.voila.fr/vue/wonderfullifesunset.jpg

BTW, the site has wonderful photos...

In anyway, it's too late, drama it has been already consumed, and now guys it's up to you release the pack...

Trinca, come on... calm down... ;) 

The last one ( http://criss.site.voila.fr/vue/wonderfullifesunset.jpg ) interests me because it could be sourced from a single photo, or just designed completely on a computer. Makes one wonder about what our criteria are for judging abstract art... :) 

cancel this fucking pack 

 

cancel your fucking bitching. (yes, I know that was predictable)

We are just a few guys on the net making maps and code in our free time, so if we don't hit our deadlines then it's not really affecting anyone. We don't have shareholders to please and we are mapping solely for our own enjoyment - not because you or anyone else is giving us money.

As JPL has shown, we are all free to release our maps when and how we like, and the rest of us chose to put them together in a pack. We will finish it one day and you can either play it or not - I guess if you want the pack cancelled, you don't want to play the maps, so why do you even care enough to read this thread and make a post?

...oh, because this is the internet, a place where fucking idiots are able to speak their mind about shit they apparently don't even care about but for some reason feel they need to have an opinion on nonetheless. 

i�m still working on my second map... and fixing the first at same time :) 

My episode 1 project is definitely going Quoth, and I have a half-finished base map that I will probably convert, too, so is it still possible to get that Quoth beta pak?

Would that even make sense at this point? 

no idear... i think deadline is still huge... 

if it's adviseable to use Quoth beta for mapping. I seem to remember that some of you guys used that. And if it's usable for mapping, I'd like to know where I can get it.

I do not want to jump on the Base Pack wagon :-P

gb 

would really be up to Kell and Necros because it is their material, and I can understand as a point of professionalism that they would not want some of the less polished aspects of the pack used generaly just yet. Perhaps there are some individual things in the pack they would be willing to give there blessing to using, but that I can't say.

I don't think it is too late to join the project though if anyone wants to contribute. I know Trinca, Than and I are working on our maps this week , and Preach has been sharing some new code. We also took Metl's advice and there is an active e-mail list going on as well. So things are looking up. 

the alternative is to wait until "Quoth2" is ready and then adjust for the changes, re-playtest etc.

It's not unlikely that Quoth2 will happen _before_ my ep. 1 thing and Ijed's ep. 3 remake. So nothing would leak before Quoth is ready.

I might e-mail Kell. 

Headthump said: ...and I can understand as a point of professionalism that they would not want some of the less polished aspects...

I still don't agree with the whole idea that the development of QuothII must be up to just a couple of guys working in private who get to sit on a half-finished pack at the inconvenience of a lot of mappers. My stance isn't anything personal against Kell or Necros, but as an open source advocate I have a strong distaste for artificial limitations imposed on the func community as a result of closed-source development.

Everyone knows in-progress code is messy, there is no issue with professionalism, just completeness. Speaking of professionalism, Quoth is free, so I don't see the harm done to Kell or Necros by making the incomplete version of QuothII fully freely available.