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why not release it with the original quoth data? I know this sounds stupid after all this negotiating but then it is easier for a mapper to concentrate on and we don't have this delay.
I was in for the original good ol' quake fashion, I'm not that sharp edged shooter. Although I must admit I too would like new monsters, end boss as I suggested. But I didn't know it would come to a complete rerun of the Quoth data. Anyone care to give a small rundown of the new quoth content for us non-involved, to get a rough idea of what to expect? I know it's not finished yet, but it sounds like some new monsters will be in for sure.
are mostly new monsters. Most of these monsters have been working fine for ages, just not in a polished state that Kell or Necros would be happy to release.
From a mapping point of view, there are a ton of new features that can be used in maps using Quoth and some of us were pushing for this as much as monsters so that in the future more people would make maps for Quoth rather than Vanilla QC or their own mod because of the wealth of options it offers. Anyway, it's not just the code that isn't yet done, a few of us have had maps in the works for a long time but no time to work on them, so there is a bit of a delay there. Also I think that perhaps the lack of a mailing list and good communication from the start was a mistake. MadFox: why not release it with the original quoth data? I know this sounds stupid after all this negotiating but then it is easier for a mapper to concentrate on and we don't have this delay
Please just note I already proposed it some months ago, and I've been flamed for that... :P HeadThump: you are rigth, nevertheless I have a single stupid question: Why did Kell provide Quoth2 if his intention was not to finish the stuff ? We were supposed to test it before release, in order to clean it from bugs, and after that: nothing happened... and as you said: from there the adventure has continued and I guess you will still have to wait for "some" time... In anyway: lazy people suck... :P Why did Kell provide Quoth2 if his intention was not to finish the stuff ?
It is gonna be finished. Just because your map was quicker to make doesn't mean it's abandoned. ps: All people making maps for this, please e-mail andrew.denner@btinternet.com sometime soon so I have a current mailing list. MadFox talk like this before he already release os map... so he dont give a shit.... what he will release in base pack is a copy with some modificacion...
Unfortunately, it seems you have some memory loss: I remind you that the pack has been planned for Xmas 2006, then delayed to April 1st 2007, then delayed again, and again....
So IMHO, it is not a question of being faster than others (I could have wait for a week or 2, even a month...), it is just a matter of doing what has been said.... I can accept people ask for 1 or 2 more weeks (e.g Vertical Map pack..), but being stucked like we've been, come on, it is not serious :P Anyway, I'm just observing what happened these last days, and unfortunately for you guys, and in my opinion, the story is far to be finished... ;P Good luck... I wouldn't have got involved in this latest round
of recrimination if it wasn't for a glaring public misperception expressed in post #890. Of course Kell is involved and committed to the project, I was recruited by him! i now people got they owns lives... and real life is much much important than this! but he didn�t ask for nothing.... and base pack wasn�t even quoth first idear... people just ask to be... i just wish people talk more rather then ignore to get a resulucion like was made with Preach :) thks god! the savior!!!
just release it before this thread counts 1000 posts! include the release candidate of quoth v2.0, enabling only the working features, and be done with it.
trinca, please stop your flaming as you do in #899. As I wrote in the beginning of this toppic I asaked Kell on Mirc if it would be possible to add the end boss to this base pack.
This was not an easy thing, he said. So I had already let you know I would release it as a stand alone, and would participate on quote monsters. As the whole thing took so long things went different. But what I just don't get is your hars comments as if you want to make people bred while you yourself ought to know it are the wrong people your blaming. You son't know where I'm working on at the moment and as far I can see you don't give a damn! I tried to support you but you're responding with lazyness. Alright, if you have the feeling I just want to participate on a map everyone has already seen, go ahead, be my day, but I do not have the feeling you realy care. You never took advantage to ask Kell or Necros, not in this toppic and not on Mirc. So why are you blaming me? And don't, don't ever talk sh!t on me again! http://criss.site.voila.fr/vue/returntolorien.jpg
http://criss.site.voila.fr/vue/alongtheriver.jpg http://criss.site.voila.fr/vue/alongtheriver2.jpg http://criss.site.voila.fr/vue/kayana.jpg http://criss.site.voila.fr/vue/wonderfullifesunset.jpg BTW, the site has wonderful photos... In anyway, it's too late, drama it has been already consumed, and now guys it's up to you release the pack... Trinca, come on... calm down... ;) The last one ( http://criss.site.voila.fr/vue/wonderfullifesunset.jpg ) interests me because it could be sourced from a single photo, or just designed completely on a computer. Makes one wonder about what our criteria are for judging abstract art... :)
cancel your fucking bitching. (yes, I know that was predictable)
We are just a few guys on the net making maps and code in our free time, so if we don't hit our deadlines then it's not really affecting anyone. We don't have shareholders to please and we are mapping solely for our own enjoyment - not because you or anyone else is giving us money. As JPL has shown, we are all free to release our maps when and how we like, and the rest of us chose to put them together in a pack. We will finish it one day and you can either play it or not - I guess if you want the pack cancelled, you don't want to play the maps, so why do you even care enough to read this thread and make a post? My episode 1 project is definitely going Quoth, and I have a half-finished base map that I will probably convert, too, so is it still possible to get that Quoth beta pak?
Would that even make sense at this point?
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