So right now, it's Baker vs. 24 pack of beer. Which is fine, I usually win that war by attrition.

Case in point, it is now Baker vs. 14 beers. ;-) The beer is clearly losing, haha.

Anyway on to important things ...

A) @Damage. Rotation. The next burst of energy I get and that goes down in flames. I have some planning on paper, other gremlins have kept me at bay. For now.

B) @JimBob. I don't have a makefile plan at the moment but have invested some time in trying to figure out to integrate that into my workflow (depending on what someone defines as as a platform I do 7 to 10 of them). But yeah, I'm actually quite the Linux n00b. So no answers at the moment --- only questions.

I do have some experience with Linux, but it isn't very deep.

And I'm the kind of guy who understands that growth comes from awareness of ones own limitations -- but yeah, although Linux isn't new ground for me, I do not claim expertise.

C) killpixel - thanks for the feedback and please provide more as I continue. What frame rate do you get in the normal build?

d) Gunter - this tells me that MH's Direct3D9 gamma shader doesn't work on your computer -- but also I have not fully had the chance to integrate all of MH's recent work. Maybe next build some of the other things will work.

Thanks for the feedback identifying that the gamma shader doesn't work on your hardware. 

Wait. Are you saying the DX9 gamma does work or doesn't work?

With the DX9 build, the DX9 shader supercedes "txgamma".

/Anyway, tonight its Baker vs. 24 pack of beer and now its down to a mere 12 (good job Baker!) --- but yeah, I think my next post is tomrrow, hahah. GG! 

I'm glad that Baker got this far with the releases before succumbing to alcohol poisoning. 

http://i.imgur.com/1oq2pya.png

Same with mark_v.exe. Old (stable) mark_v.exe works, and the SDL version works.

I should probably mention that my video driver is from 2009, because using anything newer means using a generic driver, and that would likely break something (laptops are painful). 

The gamma shader is conservative in that if it doesn't load nothing else will fail, and it reports back to the engine so that a fallback can be implemented.

That said, I understand from the comment that "the gamma slider still works, and it does not affect my desktop gamma" that it actually is working.

There's nothing in the gamma shader that prevents texture gamma from also working.

We discussed the 800x600 window before, and at your desktop resolution this is just something that you have to accept is going to happen.

I've reproduced this behaviour at 1366x768, 1440x900 and 1920x1080. In every case you get weird behaviour if you set height of a windowed mode the same as desktop height.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE SOFTWARE CONTROL OVER.

Sorry for shouting but I've already written a number of lengthy posts about D3D vs GL differences, driver and runtime behaviours, and the message isn't getting through.

Reporting the same bug over and over again won't make it any different. If the driver or runtime takes control and imposes it's own behaviour, you're stuck. D3D is not GL. You can try to fight it and create a bigger mess. Or you can accept it, say "well just don't do that then", and move on. 

OMG... proper water warp effect in the GL builds at long last! I can die in peace now! This year starts really well. Amazing job, Baker (and probably mh, I guess)! 

Alright, I wouldn't be able to code in this state but Quake and indeed FitzQuakeism (metlslime's code was the Rosetta stone of modern Quake) flows through my blood just by nature so ...

a) @dwere -- kinda of weird since my Windows 7 machine is in perma-stasis lock since 2012. I'm not a Microsoft trusting sort and my primarily machine has not been updated in any way since April 2012. So I'll meditate on this more tomorrow. In fact, I'm rather annoyed at the moment ;-)

b) @MH - Your work is nearly perfect like usual. Meanwhile, I'm still made out of a human. I did the currently release without 8 of my "must have" list -- just because I hit my human limits and needed to have something to show for my integration efforts ...

Knowing I can sneak in a 1.26 tomrrow with few people being the wiser. ;-)

So enjoy! Your work is eventually completely safe with me, especially since it is awesome! 

... the next version will be: Mark V - SPIKED
with beerzzz :-P

Comes with a free sax pick on download! 

Quick question - is there a hard limit to the number of surfaces WinQuake/WinQuakeGL will display? I tried raising r_maxedges, r_maxsurfs, but it seems after a point it makes no difference (try jam6_ericwtronyn hehe)

But yes very very nice so far! 

What frame rate do you get in the normal build

In both win and wingl:

320x240 stretch - ~1k
640x480 stretch - 400 - 600

minor bug: setting fullscreen/res via options menu sets to 640x480 stretch. 

@Baker I was surprised to find that mark_v.exe (Windows GL) runs remarkably well under WINE, so I'll just use that in the meantime.

I don't have in-depth knowledge of Linux either, though I too have used it before. Fortunately these days I think most anyone can figure out most of the user-side stuff by googling.

Anyhow, thanks for all your efforts to bring Mark V to Linux! 

Not certain if this is confined to my PC or not.

On first run, MarkV fails to exec my config.cfg. On exit however it successfully saves and overwrites it, then subsequent runs work.

This is a pretty standard "generated by Quake" config and works fine with other engines. I can provide a pastebin if necessary, but I don't think it's relevant because...

What I've also observed is that on such a failed run it will create a new directory, at the same level as ID1, but named with a random character (e.g. "�", "a", etc) within which there is *another* ID1, that containing a config.cfg.

default.cfg runs OK indicating that it's loading quake.rc and default.cfg fine from the PAK files. autoexec.cfg and all other PAK file content loads OK, and screenshots/etc are created in the correct folder: i.e. it's solely confined to config.cfg.

This is on Windows 10 64-bit, fully patched. The only thing unusual I do is that I have a separate directory for each engine and I use mklink to create hard links/directory junctions for the PAK files and Music directory. 

To try and be clear, in DX9 with vid_hardwaregamma 1, the gamma slider affects everything -- both Quake and my desktop.

With vid_hardwaregamma 0, the gamma slider only affects Quake, and not my desktop.

But txgamma does nothing. It doesn't even return a value.

I'm preferring to use txgamma, since it does not affect the polyblends, and so makes them look correct instead of gamma-adjusting them, which makes them too intense.



About the 800x600 window, it may be related, but it's not the same bug I've ever reported before. The Quake window just completely becomes invisible. I can hear it, but I don't see anything. If I can mange to change the window size back to something else, the window re-appears. And again, if I restart Quake after having previously set to 800x600, then I get an 800x578 window, which is fine, and apparently what DX8 does automatically without turning my window invisible. Though vid_height still reports 600 in both exes -- it's only in the Options menu where DX9 (not DX8, which shows 800x600) reports my resolution at 800x578.

So the main point is: on my 1024x600 netbook, using the menu to set DX8 to 800x600 window works fine, whereas trying to set 800x600 in DX9 via the menu causes Quake to become completely invisible -- no visible window at all, though it still is running, and shown in the task bar.

But if there's nothing that can be done about it, then there's nothing that can be done about it....


I also get a similar glitch if I try to alt-tab away from a full-screen mode in DX9. When I try to go back to Quake, I get invisible Quake with no way to bring it back without restarting it.
If I try to change the resolution without restarting it (by sound) it freezes up (it gets stuck repeating a menu sound). 

@kp - In the WinQuake through GL build, I capped the stretch because I was having frame rate issues at certain larger sizes, which apparently is a total non-issue in your case it would seem.

@kinn - I have to check that out. Haven't thought about it in a while. Seems you have found a map that challenges that limit. I'll investigate at some point.

@dwere - I'll have to take another look at that. I did change Mark V to bypass an openg32.dll living in the Quake folder --- do you normally need an opengl32.dll in your Quake folder?

@damage - Winter + cold and a bit of elation of wrapping up a very complex set of builds sometimes leads to ideas that the next day don't look quite as smart, haha. Anyways --- I haven't forgotten about rotation.

@gunter - Like MH said, nothing about the Direct3D relates to texture gamma at all -- so DX9 doesn't have texture gamma at all because 3 different gamma systems in the same build would have been a headache for me. 

I could have coded texture gamma in Direct X 9 build.

I didn't because of the complexity of having to figure out how to make 3 different gamma systems interoperate.

I wanted to get a build out.

texture gamma will likely be available in a future DX9 build when I have more time to plan it out. 

Mark V fails to exec my config.cfg

I thought I noticed that. Will have to investigate. 

I get 150-200 fps at 1920x1080 with the win build. 

It is important to note that the Direct X 9 build is not "final".

I have outstanding improvements from MH that I have yet to integrate.

I marked this build "Beta" -- suspecting there would be some things that need ironed out. 

I don't need it, and it's not there right now. 

The bad config.cfg is coming from %appdata%\MarkV\caches; every other cfg file runs from com_gamedir but for some reason config.cfg is running from there. 

Is the pure WinQuake build performing nice enough that the WinQuake through GL build is basically not needed?

/It'd always be available as an option, besides it can do one thing that the pure WinQuake build can't --- it can do vid_vsync ;-) 

This block of code in Cmd_Exec_f is where it's happening (based off 1023 source, 1025 seems to have no source release & may be different):

if (String_Does_Match_Caseless (line->args[1], CONFIG_CFG))
{
const char *check_string = va("// %s", ENGINE_FAMILY_NAME);
cbool is_our = String_Does_Start_With (file_text, check_string);
//int len = strlen(check_string);

// cbool is_ok = false;
// Baker: Make sure it is a Mark V config
if (!is_our)

So my reading is that Mark V is attempting to detect if the config was created by itself (using the presence of a comment at the start as an indicator) and refusing to exec it if not. 

I can't get it working with any version of Mark_V. Seems to work fine with Quakespasm, not sure what seems to be causing it. I'm sure this was fixed at one point. 

@fifth - you're probably using ogg, try mp3.

@baker - winquake seems to run great. the stuttering issue from before is gone. however, there may be a brief "hang" that seldom happens that I didn't detect in the wingl build. Don't hold me to this, I haven't found time to sit down and really test them. 

@mh - Yes, exactly. Mark V writes a backup config to prevent a loss of settings.

I need to revisit it and double-check everything there and combined with what Johhny Law identified as a scenario --- give it a thorough look over.

Source code

http://quakeone.com/markv/older/1025_mark_v_beta_source.rar

re Linux: I use CodeBlocks with SDL 2 Dev 2.0.4 package installed to compile.

/It is possible that at some future date, a Linux makefile may become available if I can determine a way to automatically have CodeBlocks generate it via a plug-in.