I wasn't really going to bother with that for now.
Mostly, I just wanted to redo that "qcStarter" program I made so you could load a model and generate some basic monster code complete with a spawn function.
But now I'm thinking it'd be pretty cool to make a modern mdl editing program. 

c just stops reading strings when it reaches the first \0, but I guess they didn't want to bother with a dynamically allocated char array so those junk bytes are actually whatever was on the guy's memory when he saved the file...

Yup, that's it. The struct in the C code is defined as follows:

typedef struct {
trivertx_t bboxmin; // lightnormal isn't used
trivertx_t bboxmax; // lightnormal isn't used
char name[16]; // frame name from grabbing
} daliasframe_t;

Reason why is when loading an MDL you can just load the entire file into a single buffer, then walk through the data setting and incrementing pointers as needed. If every daliasframe_t is the same size the job becomes much easier.

Same basic principle applies to other model data that contains a string name; e.g. textures have a fixed 16 char array for their names. 

Makes sense, they would design the format to make it easy on themselves, not some guy digging into it 15 years later. :P

Now to see if I can draw it to screen!
I think understanding exactly what the heck is going on with the so called 'compressed coordinates' is going to be the really hard part. o.0 

http://necros.slipgateconstruct.com/temp/notreallyafiend.jpg
well, it was supposed to be a fiend... 

I always wondered what the algorithm was for drawing point to point in 3D.

Also I'm stunned that I am following this. It actually makes sense to me(!) now that I can program a little. 

they would design the format to make it easy on themselves

...and they even failed at that!!! http://www.team5150.com/~andrew/carmack/johnc_plan_1997.html#d19970707 (section beginning "anatomy of a mis-feature").

well, it was supposed to be a fiend...

It's real close though, and a whole ton better than my first attempt at doing this with C# 8 or so years back. 

http://necros.slipgateconstruct.com/temp/nowthatsafiend.jpg

Silly mistake... tried reading in verts on the frames directly. :P 

It's nice that that .plan stuff is archived. I never had internet back then (plus I was too young) but that seems very interesting now. :) 

Good stuff with the fiend. You gonna take this all the way and do texturing too?

The .plan archive is essential reading, it's a great window into the thinking behind why much of Quake is the way it is, and can be very informative for decisions of the "should I add/remove/change this feature?" kind. 

http://necros.slipgateconstruct.com/temp/yayskins.jpg 

I can see its eye in that shot :) 

Fiends don't have eyes. 

You guys don't do a whole lot of looking at things, do you?

http://www.lunaran.com/pics/fiends...

And now, shambler will argue that those aren't actually eyes: 

http://www.lunaran.com/pics/fiendshaveeyes.jpg
ZOMG! I've been wrong all this time!!! 

I thought those were nipples? 

Now that the RMQ project has split up, what's happening with the BSP2 format? Will it still be updated? Do any engines other than the RMQ Engine support it yet?

Also, is anyone willing to do some coding for new boss monsters? PM is currently cleaning up and debugging Drake, but doesn't want to spend time adding entirely new monsters/features/etc. I totally understand this POV but it'd be nice if Drake had a unique final boss of some sort.

Looks like eyes to me. Now the Shambler, on the other hand... 

With no eyes? This is horrible. 

Glases are fine, horns another question.

http://members.home.nl/gimli/gdemon.jpg 

maybe I'm just tired, but that was hilarious. :D 

Since I was linked here from IRC, I might as well answer to Tronyn:

FTE and Darkplaces (and Hmap2) support BSP2, but DP's version is slightly different.

I would guess that DirectQ also supports it, and Baker and Rook's engines might as well.

I have switched to Warsow's FBSP for my project, so BSP2 will get no updates from me. The Schism team would probably be the ones to maintain it now. Perhaps ask at their forum.

You should talk to MH, Spike and Lordhavoc to get the BSP2 support in those engines harmonised.

Quakespasm did not want to support BSP2 when I asked.

I don't normally read this forum anymore, but I'm willing to help where I can. Poke me per mail or IRC if someone wants to talk to me. 

http://necros.slipgateconstruct.com/temp/objdrawing.jpg

Thanks to preach for his pcx loading code in the md3tomdl converter. The runlength encoding stuff was confusing the crap out of me.
Also, I had to flip the pcx data on the x axis AND reverse the pixel array order after loading it... is that normal? If it's not then I must have messed up the UVs on the OBJ... 

actually, flipping x axis and reversing the order is basically just flipping y axis right? :P 

looks like it's a thing with obj... just flipped v component when loading the obj instead of goofing with the pcx. 

There is an issue to be aware of with "intuitive" coordinates and storage of data. The natural order of storing skin/image data (at least the one taken in the mdl format) comes about I think from their usual representation as a string (in the purest array of numbers sense). Since we are used to text flowing from left-to-right then step down a line and repeat (for english-speakers) we extend that idea to the order pixels should be stored in the skin.

The place where this begins to cause a conflict is when we start thinking about cartesian co-ordinates on the skin. The standard mathematical axes on a graph has the y value increase as you move upwards. So if you have something that wants to put the origin of the coordinates in the bottom-left of the skin, you need to reflect the skin in y to compensate.

Having said that, if you're actually going to render the 2d skin somewhere, you really ought to apply the reflection to the skin vertices rather than the image file itself. Otherwise you will cause a lot of confusion for the user who has an expectation on what their skin looked like. 

Having said that, if you're actually going to render the 2d skin somewhere, you really ought to apply the reflection to the skin vertices rather than the image file itself. Otherwise you will cause a lot of confusion for the user who has an expectation on what their skin looked like.

Yes, this is what I ended up doing. I want to be able to display the skin either for drawing on (probably not) or changing UV coordinates, so having the thing upside down is not an option.

Turns out that this is a common thing with the OBJ format as many of the loading examples I read had a bit of code involving flipping the v component of the texture coordinates.