I don't think we're in a COD era, and the franchise has far less impact on the industry than what people think. Realistic shooters were around long before COD and would still be around regardless. You take COD out of the picture, and maybe you might also lose the most obvious imitators Battlefield, er.... er.... that's about it. Some of the Tom Clancy games have slowly moved more towards COD style gameplay, as they chase better sales.

MOH, Operation Flashpoint/Arma, CS/TF and the HL mods all came before COD. The games industry is full of games that clearly aren't that similar to COD. I actually would like more, I quite enjoy a simple 5-10 hour stroll through great looking locations shooting with my standard weapons.

If he's talking about not imitators but just borrowing certain elements, I suppose it's hard more impact there, I bet there's not one thing that the COD franchise actually invented.

I think GTA probably is the most influential game in terms of imitators. There are probably about 5 games a year that you know are designed to target the GTA fan. The type of people that get a big chubby because in GTA you can drive around and change the radio station in the car, like it's some amazing feature. 

So the COD series is one of most important FPS games. Not only because it makes a lot of money, but because its a safe bet for investment. 

I don't think we're in a COD era, and the franchise has far less impact on the industry than what people think.

Oh, I agree with that. We actually seem to be at the start of a backlash against CoD clones; or at least a willingness among the AAA studios to try something different.

The problem however was not that; the problem was that was what Willits thought and that thinking was what informed some of his design decisions. 

You're gorgeous you, mh. It's just the way you type. Are you me, but somehow I've become schizophrenic and split myself between two accounts?

Either that or I'm just saying I concur in some bizarre and abstract manner. Do you know what you're saying?

The problem with CoD is it's such a shit game. Do you think that the CoD generation will look back with pride at all those hours they wasted in such a retrograde game? Or do you think they'll be embarassed?

I recall in 1997 telling my friends about Quake and this thing called the internet which lets you play this other thing called deathmatch and how amazing it was. Then years later, they all finally discovered what I was talking about, but in a grotesque form. My friends didn't understand why I wasn't into it (They'd previously called me the "gamesmaster"). I tried to explain how it wasn't skill based and that it was rigged so that low level players were close to slightly higher level players. They thought I was just making excuses. I tried to explain about mouse+keyboard. They still don't believe me. Now they wonder why I don't answer their text messages. Bastards.

Anyway, I'm glad the WoW and CoD era is sliding away. Could DOOM 4 be a stepping stone back to skill based games? Hopefully. Personally though, I don't think arena deathmatch will ever come back like how it was. It's just a bit boring tbh. I want something new. I like the direction valve have gone with action+puzzle stuff. 

off topic but not really, did anyone here try Wolfenstein the new order? How is it? Is it fun? Is it challenging? Does it have regen health?

I forgot about that game but got interested after playing tormentor667's wolfendoom blade of agony 

"I'm not fond of story in action fps games, unless of course it's action/puzzle like HL2. "

If I recall correctly there was no story, action or puzzles in hl2- unless you mean the extremely watered down versions of each 

I didn't think I would, but it turned out to be pretty fun. Some parts were better than others of course. Graphics were great. Story wasn't terrible.

I got it on sale for $15 and didn't feel ripped off at all. I played on middle difficulty and it wasn't too hard, don't remember if health regenerated. It probably did. 

I felt like less of a fool with the wolf purchase. The gfx are nice, but the gameplay felt clunky to me. I found having to press use to pick up items, inlcuding health, annoying and a strange choice for "retro" shooter. Story made the gameplay stop n go, which really never allowed me to set into a groove. Ok game overall but i probably wont play it again. 

By popular demand, we�re opening DOOM alpha access beyond our DOOM Beta group. First come, first serve.

Xbox http://doom.com/en-us/alpha/xbox
Steam http://doom.com/en-us/alpha/steam
PS4 http://doom.com/en-us/alpha/sony 

Aaaand closed. 

Got in! So now I can experience disappointment before other people! 

make sure you whine about how it sucks here! :D 

I suspect the word order is wrong (at least, I hope it is wrong). 

 

It's not exactly the same as Doom 1 and 2 in every way, therefore it sucks and it raped my childhood etc. etc.

Jar Jar. 

I believe you mean Darth Jar Jar 

https://youtu.be/irG4qJDoDcI 

So I haven't been ashamed to say that I've been super looking forward to Doom 4, I'm a fan of the series even after the disappointing Doom 3.

I'm really not convinced of Doom 4, it's just not Doom. Even less so than Doom 3 to be honest. Double jumps, insta-kill melee attacks, item load outs instead of proper item placement and balancing, playing as a revenant is awesome if you're a revenant but sucks if you're anyone else (and you'll mostly be in the everyone else camp), weapons simply don't feel that fun or have too much personality (they all look and feel generic)...

I'll play it a little more but only to see if it can win me over but I'm not convinced that it will. 

I'll be satisfied. 

I would call it hot garbage but it's more like stone-cold garbage. I'm shocked how much it plays like like Halo, it's trash. After googling "doom 4 developer" I found this beautiful nugget -

"Certain Affinity is an American video game development studio based in Austin, Texas. It was founded in 2006 by Max Hoberman and a small number of other ex-Bungie employees and other industry veterans."

These are the guys doing the multiplayer, it really REALLY shows that these guys are ex bungie. Now, I don't mind Halo, infact I adore most of them especially Halo Reach. However, I do not want Doom to play like Halo, I want it to play like Doom.

This game is not Doom. 

Do people here still care about that? 

you'll all get to be disappointed. You'll see.

(btw, I actually wanted to love the game, I enjoyed the trailers shown at E3) 

the multi-player movement feels very sluggish to me and I don't think its an FPS issue. Everything feels a bit weak too -- I'm pretty damn nifty with a rocket launcher if I do say so myself, but it feels like I can hit somebody dead on target 3-4 times and they're not dead. The supershotgun has too great a spread and any short-range accuracy is fucked by the overall poor visual fidelity of the game. I get that there's only one level and others may be different, but everything is bathed in the same orange glow so none of the graphics pop out at all and it just looks like a big expensive smear. If you stand still and just look at the visuals there is some great artwork in there, but it just doesn't work in motion when you need to be able to differentiate items, players and environmental details really quickly.

The one thing I really enjoyed was being able to climb stuff, but that will get old fast.

Really hoping this isn't a sign of things to come in the singleplayer. 

id doesn't have it anymore. I'm honestly expecting nothing from Doom 4 ... 

Some people care some. :-) Probably not many care a lot.

Doom 4 MP is pretty fun. I don't really want MP that is like Doom 1/2 MP anyway. Also not to be a wet blanket but we did sign NDAs to get into the alpha soooo I guess I won't say more.