Then...
#7345 posted by necros on 2005/03/05 13:26:55
what's the point of coop? you may as well just play half the map in sp...
Alright Then, 4 Players
#7346 posted by Kinn on 2005/03/05 13:33:44
two teams of two :P
I'm not saying the players have to go their separate ways, I just think non-linearity can have a use in coop.
#7347 posted by Kell on 2005/03/05 13:38:05
Split up and head back to the surface! And see if you can get some of those fighters to follow you...
Hrm
i'm playing the original splinter cell and i'm stuck :(
here: http://notoriousray.spawnpoint.org/stuck.JPG
trying to reach extraction point after getting the encryption key from ivan, on top floor and i get to this room and theres no way to go to the other side. walkthroughs i've looked up mention some guys and a forklift but for the life of me i can't figure wtf i'm supposed to do.
anyone?
Try Up !!
#7349 posted by JPL on 2005/03/06 01:13:57
I mean, is there any air conditionning pipe you could use to go out this area ?? .. i didn't remeber this part of the game...
More Re: Coop Levels
#7350 posted by R.P.G. on 2005/03/06 10:16:44
* Similar to non-linear layouts, you could design puzzles or actions that the players need to complete, but ones that go faster with 2+ players. (e.g. killing Cthon in E1M7.)
Come on. I know you guys have more insights than what you've said so far.
A Friend Of Mine
#7351 posted by cyBeAr on 2005/03/06 12:08:02
has spoken very fondly of the ps2 "half-life something" game with levels designed for co-op.. maybe there are some good ideas to be found there?
That's Not Very Conducive Of Discussion, Though.
#7352 posted by R.P.G. on 2005/03/06 14:17:22
But thanks for commenting.
Maybe...
#7353 posted by necros on 2005/03/06 19:13:23
something like a crusher that gets activated by a button in a different room. one player goes in, lures out some monsters into position under the crusher, and the other player hits the switch to turn it on...
little scenarios like that could be fun, but would sort of depending on prior knowledge of the map to know what to do on short notice like that.
Necros
#7354 posted by - on 2005/03/06 21:52:35
you could make a message appear for "the bait" that says "RUN AWAY LIKE A LITTLE GIRL!" at least then there's a better chance they'll make monsters chase them.
Coop
#7355 posted by necros on 2005/03/07 10:28:51
well, maybe a monster that attacked you and arrested your movement and required another player to rescue them.
that would add an interesting twist to coop gameplay...
or maybe intentionally spliting the players up -- teleporting them each to seperate areas, where they are still fighting together, but must try to join up again... like they are teleported into a big arena at opposite ends of it and each have to fend off their own set of monsters, and work towards the center so they can combine firepower more effectively...
Also,
#7356 posted by necros on 2005/03/07 10:44:07
pm_walkspeed 320 in doom3 feels like quake! ^_^
would it be innappropriate to design a map requiring the use of a specific walkspeed?
Necros
#7357 posted by Kinn on 2005/03/07 12:55:41
Hmmm. I would be more inclined just to make a small mod whereby running does not require stamina; therefore you can set "always run" and still maintain the normal Doom3 physics. (Just put in the story that your marine is uber-fit and can sprint indefinately ;)
Mm, Yeah..
#7358 posted by necros on 2005/03/07 14:34:55
sounds good. is there an 'always run' setting d3? didn't know about it; that's why i was thinking of just changing the default walk speed.
also, why bother with a story. O_o just justify it by saying you want a little faster paced gameplay. :)
Always Run
#7359 posted by R.P.G. on 2005/03/07 14:55:17
I never saw an option for Always Run in singleplayer, but I did notice it in deathmatch.
Always Run
#7360 posted by Preach on 2005/03/07 15:24:48
Shouldn't always run without stamina be like a map setting, not even requiring a mod? It's been quite a few months since I played doom 3, and I did it just the once, but couldn't you always run in the levels in hell? Your stamina bar had all those flames instead.
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#7361 posted by necros on 2005/03/07 17:48:54
well, yeah, you can run yes, but i mean, run as a default... hence why i suggested changing the default walk speed.
also though, that speed of 320 is faster than the normal d3 sprint speed too.
Well,
#7362 posted by Kinn on 2005/03/08 01:02:18
My main point is that I think a run speed of 320 might be a little off-kilter with the rest of the game. Doom3's sprint speed is 220, I believe, and the walk speed is 140. Preach raised a good point with Hell; i'd be inclined to do that instead :)
Coop Gameplay
#7363 posted by Lunaran on 2005/03/08 05:18:07
Coming up with scenarios for a coop map is a good exercise but it's limiting. I think putting in two man monster traps and little button-door setups that make the map impossible to play with one person isn't approaching the idea from the right direction. Sure the map might have some of that, but they're gimmicks. The meat of a coop map would be no different on the surface than a single player map - the combats and the progression through space would have to be engineered so that two people cooperating leads to less getting hurt and less dying (which there should be plenty of if the two players are 'going it alone').
I guess my point is in a coop map you should need the other player to survive the map, not to navigate it.
I Agree With Lunaran
#7364 posted by JPL on 2005/03/08 06:13:53
I really think gameplay doesn't change a lot between SP and Coop even if the mapper add "team-play goodies" like you described (buttons and stuff...)
Just try Halo 2 in SP and compared it with Coop, and you can easily noticed there are just many more monsters, and the gamplay didn't change in anyway !! The game just become more interesting: each player need the other one to survive... (like you said), and you have to act like real "commando-team" to survive..
In anyway, it's rather interesting to fight with the help of somebody else... even if I personnally prefer a great fight alone again a horde of monsters... it's a kind of personnal challenge and my humble opinion ;P
Yeah...
#7365 posted by necros on 2005/03/08 10:05:11
it'd be nice if there was a flag 'not in coop' and 'coop only' so you can make extra monsters appear, or more ammo and weapons and such appear. heck, you could even make more doors and such appear and alternate routes in coop. that'd be cool, no?
The Lack Of Coop Flags Lead To...
#7366 posted by distrans on 2005/03/08 16:21:33
"Coop: Yes, 4 starts (skill level 3 recommended)"
Or...
#7367 posted by than on 2005/03/08 16:57:03
You could use easy mode for coop, flag non coop stuff as not in normal or hard and you're off. Nobody plays easy these days, surely?
Er
#7368 posted by than on 2005/03/08 16:57:33
actually, I'm being a dumbass, since the monster ai is different on easy.
Dm_overflow Video
#7369 posted by Tigger-oN on 2005/03/08 18:54:18
Cyber Slam (who I work for) ran a promotional event for ABIT, and we use czg's dm_overflow for the final. The gameplay was outputted to 2 plasma screens at the event.
Videos (DEM, DivX and WMV) of the final can be founnd here:
http://cyberslam.com.au/toolbox.asp?g=14
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