Hello SleepwalkR,

I was curious to check out the original source files inside Trench from quake 1. And from the looks of things they wont load?

http://planetquake.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Quake.Detail&id=343

Here is the original Map files from ID software. I guess that the .map format has changed or something from back then?

Cheers! 

That's what it does right now? 

They load find for me, can you be more specific? 

TB 1.0.4 is a turd that has several issues with loading maps. 1.0.5 will fix this. 

How do you guys organise your wad files? TB always opens the "Quake directory" when I want to load wads. I would much rather have it always open the dir I lastly picked a wad in. Opinions? 

I have no control over what directory the dialog opens in. It's a wxWidgets issue AFAIK. 

Ah, ok. When you said 'defs' before I was too literal.

The time difference worked against me, so hopefully I'll be able to do them tonight instead.

I was going to go with what Rubicon2 has defined, but I don't agree with everything there since some of the elements are mixed.

I prefer to group things by colour, how does this sound;

Player (all types of starts and tele destinations)
Monsters
Lights
Misc objects (fireballs, barrels etc)
Fx (sound/visual)
Path / Logic (relay, path_corners)
Collectables (Health / Armour)
Weapons / Powerups
Traps

What colours each one will be depend on visibility in the editor. I'll stick to precedents like monsters being red, although some things won't make sense - both lights and the player being green, for example will mean lights changing colour because the player should take precedent. 

You really have to make it so that you can easily edit the angle of which doors open. Having to always manually set the angle by typing a number is really annoying and makes the whole process much more time consuming and annoying then it has to be.

In fact, having to manually type in all the values in the first place is annoying. Create some buttons for christs sakes! 

So you're shift-clicking on the little spin buttons next to the rotation field? Does Shift+click work for buttons next to the offset fields?

shift-clicking on the little spin buttons works fine. i'm referring to the keyboard shortcuts section:

Texture Rotation

For rotating textures, the PageUp and PageDown keys rotate the texture clockwise and counter-clockwise at 15� intervals. As with the spinner controls detailed previously, the Shift modifier key increases the rotation interval to 90� and the Ctrl modifier key decreases the rotation interval to 1�.

the ctrl modifier works, but the shift one doesn't.

Regarding the focus issues: The 3D view has a focus rectangle drawn around it, and if you focus any other controls, you have to return focus to the 3D view by clicking on it once. Is the focus rectangle visible on your system? I have noticed that it is sometimes hard to see on Windows.

yep, can see it ok. i'm assuming it should work thusly:

1. click on the side-panel, viewport border disappears;
2: click back on the viewport once, border reappears;
3: click in the viewport again, object is selected.

..however in most cases, the border only reappears at step 3. and in maybe about 25% of cases, step 2 is skipped. it's a bit temperamental.

i think avoiding step 2 altogether would be the best solution, minimising clicking. the border could pop up whenever the mouse hovers over the window and let you select anything with one click. no idea whether that's possible with the GUI library though? 

I just created a website for the purpose of reviewing Quake maps called QuakeBlast.

http://quakeblast.webs.com/

If anyone is interested then they can send me the maps that they create with SleepWalkR's new editor :) 

Please make sure to use red sparsely because it's hard to differentiate selected entities from unselected entities that have the color red. 

Texture rotation: Okay, got it - will fix in 1.0.5.

Focus: Looks like it's a big buggy. I'll look into it. I won't change it though as otherwise, you will inadvertedly select / deselect stuff a lot. 

Better support for entity editing incl. a smart entity editor for angles is planned for 1.2.

Cool site, I hope there will be many maps to review soon. 

That's what it does right now?

Haha ... OK, I just experimented with it and it DOES do it. However, the focus border doesn't redraw on that first click so you don't know it worked. It looks like it didn't. On your second click, the border appears.

So it IS working but there's a redraw issue. 

Windows 7, Geforce 670, for reference. 

Understanble, SleepwalkR. I know you mentioned earlier that there is more to "it" than just a .def file. So, I'll leave it be for now. Quake should be the focus, for now.

lastly, a question: is there a keyboard shortcut to switch between the entity/face/view tabs?
I don't think so, but, on Windows when I pressed SHIFT+RIGHT_ARROW, it switched over to those tabs and switch through those tabs each time I pressed SHIFT+RIGHT_ARROW.

I just created a website for the purpose of reviewing Quake maps called QuakeBlast.
We have lvlworld.com for that. They've been around for over 10+ years. I doubt you want to try and compete with that? Even if you did, you would want quakeblast.com as your domain name, not quakeblast.webs.com. 

RJ mentioned the same problem, and I have created bug for it. Thanks! 

The shortcuts you are using for the tabs are coincidental. I will add commands to directly switch to and activate the tabs (and also one to switch back to the 3D view from wherever you are) which you can assign shortcuts to yourself in 1.1.

If I'm not mistaken, lvlworld is exclusively for Quake 3, no? Also, competition is good for business, so the more, the merrier! 

I am not trying to compete with anyone. I just wanted a cute little site of my own where I review some Quake maps. It's a hobby, basically. 

Did you have a look at some of the more recent Quake releases over at http://www.quaddicted.com? Maybe you could pick a few and write reviews for them so as to get some initial content going. 

There's Tronyn Reviews @ quaddicted.com at the moment, for Quake 1, though he doesn't review every single map AFAIK (most though). But since Underworld Fan gave up the job about 5 years ago, there hasn't been a dedicated review site, only the reviews on Quaddicted (long live Spirit, Tronyn etc and thank goodness they were there the last five years) dot com.

So a new Quake review site isn't such a bad thing. I mean I take it that this site has sprung up amidst all of the buzz around Trenchbroom, but I hope it's not just for Trenchbroom maps.

There are a lot of mappers still mapping for Quake (the flow of Quake 1 maps never stopped completely, though it did slow some), and with BSP2 now accessible there is scope for some of the biggest and baddest maps to date. I personally think that Quake has yet to peak. There's something inherantly attractive about one person being able to develop a whole map or episode for a true 3D game like Quake. Because Quake is fairly low res and simple, and doesn't require a degree in Lua to 'script' for, not to mention the voice actors and modellers etc etc, and because the ceiling for large maps has just been raised to four times the height it was before I really think that the best has still to come....

But no - two quastions:

1 - Is the site exclusive to Trenchbroom Maps
because the majority of Quake mappers have yet to adopt it (not saying they wont, but it's abig transition))(I'm guessing not)

2 - Who will review the maps?
Will there be a community scoring system?
Will there be one person who reviews the maps (this has positives and negatives - positives being that 1 persons POV is a solid thing (i.e. the Tronyn benchmark - "I usually like the same maps he likes, so this one must be good"), negatives being an individuals bias potential)

3 - I like Deqer now, Deqer sorry for swearing at you and being a bit mean, I felt bad once I read your subsequent messages and realised you were sincere in your messages and your enthusiasm for Quake/dev. 

It will actually be cool if hakkarin reviews new maps without knowing about an authors previous maps.

Like a lot of us will know that some mappers work is going to always be awesome, and expect nothing less, but someone who hasn't played all of them and doesn't know all of the various mappers and their work will have no preconceptions based upon the name. That would be cool.

This should probably get moved to another thread.

hakkarin - please create a news post in the News section, it will go out over RSS for starters, and it will stop us from having the rest of this discussion on the Trenchbroom thread :) I feel it could be a lengthy one. 

I am personally not a fan of scoring at all. I prefer in-depth textual reviews such as the ones on TeamShambler or The Ramshackle. I realize those sites had ratings, but personally I don't think it's necessary.

The problem with ratings is that they don't serve much of a purpose (unless you're running Quaddicted and want to be able to sort the maps by them) and they instantly spark debate. I would much rather read a detailed analysis for certain aspects of a map (item placement, architecture and so on) than get a short description of the map and rating.

Ricky, a community scoring system makes sense on Quaddicted, but not so much on a review site IMHO.

That said, I say let hakkarin figure it out by himself. He hasn't written a single review yet and we're already meddling with it ;-) 

The thing with long and wordy reviews is that in my opinion they only really entertain the writer and the map author. I play a map or I don't. Reading a long review does not affect me in that decision.

Great to see a new face/nick, welcome hakkarin! 

I did as you guys suggested and posted about the new site in the news, though the post hasn't be approved yet. And no, there is no rule that demands that maps must be made with TrenchBroom in order to be reviewed. And yes I will have scores on the site because who doesn't love em? There will still actual written reviews as well though, because having only numbers as scores would be very boring :)