Elevators (and ramps) that are inside a trigger_fog or other trigger that does a stuffcmd every frame defeats the movement smoothing.

I debugged it a bit and cl.onground was getting set to false after each stuffcmd, which disabled the smoothing, but I didn't track down how cl.onground is linked to the stuffcmd-ing. Quakespasm-Spike's new protocol avoids this, but I'm not sure what change is responsible. Do you know what's going on, Spike?

test cases:

jittery:

temp1 0 # enable the stuffcmds inside trigger_fog
map ad_swampy.bsp
notarget
setpos -67 1368 840
noclip


smooth:

temp1 2048 #this disables the stuffcmds inside trigger_fog
map ad_swampy.bsp
notarget
setpos -67 1368 840
noclip


you need to walk off the plat and step back on. Look at the floor (plat surface) to see the jittering. You might have to ride the elevator a few times to see it jitter, but the "smooth" case is always smooth. 

Ok, did a bit more debugging (quakespasm / protocol 666), and it seems the client gets a net message with just svc_stufftext, and no svc_clientdata. onground gets set to false on every received network message unless there is svc_clientdata in it, so that is how the stuffcmd causes the stairstep smoothing to be reset. Not sure about the bigger picture like why does PF_stuffcmd result in a standalone net message without a svc_clientdata?

I guess the best solution assuming qc changes would be to use fitzquake's built in fog interpolation over time, which would avoid spamming the network with fog changes. 

svc_clientdata is normally present in every single _unreliable_ packet (the exception being nop packets).
Unlike Quakeworld, in NQ all reliable data (like stuffcmds) is sent in separate packets. hence why you're getting a packet that contains only a stuffcmd. This is true even for DPP7 and QSS.

There really is nothing specific to stuffcmd here. there are many other ways to trigger small reliables without svc_clientdatas.


FTE/QSS's network protocol considers the onground flag to be part of entity state, and doesn't even use svc_clientdata any more.
I don't recall any particular reason why you can't just do similar, and set/clear it only on reception of svc_clientdata (and CL_ClearState). I probably ought to do just that in QSS. Flagging the player as offground can affect things like bobbing, but its better to make sure any such unwanted effects are disabled by map changes, pause, or whatever, instead of potentially breaking on random reliables. 

i changed it to 160 and it's smooth as butter now.

completely unrelated, my save file somehow got corrupted in the most bizarre way i have ever seen. all the detail prop models have been shuffled. lit candles are now shell boxes, unlit candles are fire, and fire is a health kit. the zombie knights are invisible except for their swords which attack you without any sort of animation, and the shadow axe is duplicated and doesn't disappear when picked up. everything goes back to normal when you change level or restart.

would be super impressed if someone could explain how this might have happened. have a look at it yourself if you're curious, there's even more weird shit like the fire that gets abducted into the ceiling immediately.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jFNJH3Z84DfK56GrWRFpNpm1sqHBJWQx 

Quake stores all the models in an edict list on map load (or was it game start, whatever). If you load a saved game in a different mod or different version, the edict list could be different amd thus the referenced model for each object is off from where it should be in the list. 

Thanks! That explains everything. set/clearing cl.onground only on reception of svc_clientdata sounds like a reasonable change. 

it has nothing to do with edicts.
its the model indexes. precaching models in a different order can and will result in the model indexes referring to different models.

there are all sorts of ways to trigger the issue, from updating a mod or map between saving+loading, to mods that just use non-deterministic precaches such that they all get renumbered on reload.
If the mod ever uses random() in order to decide which model to precache then the mod is buggy.

FTE+DP+QSS are meant to write out the precache list so that it can be restored properly afterwards, which should allow non-deterministic mods to reload games properly.
Don't expect to be able to fix the game by just loading your existing save with one of those engines - if the saved game doesn't include the data then it'll have to be made up somehow - which means guessed, which means buggy. 

I would really like to know if there is a way to play Arcane Dimensions (v.1.70 patch 1) in co-op using Quakespasm (0.93.0). I tried to make it work but I'm always getting some kind of connection problem message. Is there a tutorial for that anywhere? 

Scroll up a bit to #649, I asked the same thing a few days ago.

Right now you either need to compile Quakespasm and AD with the minor changes to the source code mentioned above, or use Spike's version of Quakespasm (QSS) and set "sv_gameplayfix_spawnbeforethinks 1" in the console. If you're going to play over internet I would recommend just going with QSS, it will perform much better. 

The documentation and editor description led me to believe it makes the entity aware of the player right away regardless of distance and sight obstruction, which is exactly what I need for my map. I tested it with multiple monsters and it doesn't seem to make any difference at all, flagged entities are still idling until attacked or within the detection radius. 

I think you need to specifically trigger them IIRC. 

it's only useful when they spawn in. 

It's funny that just searching for "serpent runekey" brought me here. Anyway, thanks for the hints, they were much appreciated. I felt like an idiot after finally finding the secret. I tried so many things. 

Possible to add monsters to Bastion, Marcher, and Masque to turn them into AD maps? 

Hey anyone know if/when/how sock's new map is getting released? The one with the huge sword piece. 

While I am not sure if this is an issue or normal behavior of the map, but I recently noticed this playing AD with QuakeSPASM 0.93: once you finish ad_s1m1, you are being teleported on Castle of the Damned map... Shouldn't it teleport the player back to Episode map? 

I think it's intended. It does the same for me in Qrack. I believe Sock made the map as an alternate for the original e1m1 not ad_e1m1. 

I'm pretty adamant about 100% completion in these maps since I'm having such a great time and I want to explore everything. I'm trying to find the final tome in ad_swampy. I know where it is. I cheated and noclipped through a door that I wasn't able to unlock in order to see if I could reverse engineer the secret, but I can't.

I'm trying to get inside here:
https://i.imgur.com/7a5TwMx.jpg

It seems like the only doors that lead into the room are locked from within. Can I get a hint as to what I need to do next? I was thinking that everything would come together once I got the eighth tome and that I'd be able to easily get the purple and blood keys after, but I can't figure it out after wandering for what seems like hours. 

You need a silver key to get behind these doors, the sk door is located at the final outdoor/church area.

If you dont mind some spoilers, there is a YT video where all tomes are found: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJyNNMk4jx0

Anyway, thx for playing! 

It looks like the trick is in the blood key. In the video, it's visible at 25:55 when the player breaks the wall adjacent to the red armor. However, I don't have the blood key in my inventory and I was already inside that room. I restarted the map and noclipped to that room to see if the blood key would be there but it's not. At first I thought that maybe the key only spawns when triggered by some event just like the tomes but I figured that all the keys are probably already in position at map start.

In any case, why wouldn't the key be there for me if I played through the entire map normally? Is it possible for something to have bugged out on my end?

Also I think that the map is a masterpiece. I hope that I can make something even half as good some day. I had a ton of fun playing through it so far. 

The video i linked to is the ad1.42 version of swampy.
I changed some secrets in later versions, added features
due to mod updates/addons and general wtf.

The blood key is now located high above

https://i.imgur.com/c6Iequy.jpg

Sorry for the confusion..

I personally think the first version is best,
i shouldve only added the fishing ogre... :) 

Luckily sock was kind enough to show me how to find the key a little earlier on stream. Finally got the rune legitimately as well as the purple key secret (thanks to sock as well). I put more time into this map alone probably more than most games overall, but I enjoyed every second of it. This was a fantastic map and one of my favorites by far. The Arcane features made it all the more enjoyable. I'll be replaying this one a lot going forward.

Speaking of fishing ogres, I really wanted that 100% completion but I couldn't bring myself to attack the passive ones. I especially liked the one who was fishing for the ring of shadows. The level of detail in this map was amazing. 

You've inspired me to play this yet again. I've never completed it. 

It might not be for everyone but the level of detail and the interconnectedness were top notch. I'm not sure how far you got but there is also a good amount of variation within the map - swamp, church with white bricks, rooftops, library, and secrets galore. I think it's exemplary in terms of layout and it's a template for me to work towards in terms of design and detail, especially regarding how organic it felt environmentally. 

Probably one of the best base maps that I'll ever play.

https://i.imgur.com/wNGjZIc.png

So close to perfect completion. I had to replay this one because I completely forgot about the circuit boards and I didn't even know that there was a rune in this map until discussing it with Spud.

Usually nothing beats experiencing an amazing game or map for the first time but this managed to be even more fun playing through again. I've already replayed most of Swampy a few times in order to try and learn about design and flow, and also because it was so much fun, but the first experience was still something else. All of these maps are phenomenal so far though so I will be revisiting all of them plenty going forward.

Finished Necro Keep as well and in the process of secret hunting. I only wish that there was some indication as to whether or not there was a rune in certain maps. Now I'm never too sure whether I should invest a lot of time trying to get the secrets or just move on the for the time being in lieu of no runes being present within the map.

Necro Keep was really fun due to the difficulty level and it had a great atmosphere. The fog hovering above the ground looked great and it isn't something that I've seen before in a map. I liked the Blood style beginning, crawling out of my grave. I dig the maps that have you starting in an unorthodox fashion instead of the usual slipgate arrival.