I kind of agree that there seems to be less and less mapping talk on here, but I think the reason is that some of the more active members aren't mappers. And many of our active mappers have become less active or gotten too busy to map. 

As a mappers, I'm very busy on several fronts: beta testing, and mapping... So don't complain please, some good news will come soon.... :) 

go fuck your self with politics who gives a shit about it? they just want to eat our money!

go fucking map 

It's quite a good summary !!! 

That had the directness I would expect from a Portuguese, with the poetic feeling of madfox, and a little hint of czg thrown in for 'wtf.'

Touche indeed. 

Maybe not. Some might say programming, or modeling&animating, or texture painting, and some of us bent assholes might even say 'politics'. But we are just kidding ourselves. Mapping is all there is of any value. Those other things only hold value to the extent they give mappers something to use.

Blitz, apology accepted, the 'twit' comment stricken. No grudges held. 

The reason we put a premium on on-topic discussion on this board is that there aren't a lot of alternative sources of quake mapping discussion. I can get discussion of movies, politics and philosophy from many, many websites.

I don't want us to talk less about movies, politics, or philosophy. I only wish we talked more about level design. 

come off as a case of sarcastism, something I don't view very highly; it was tounge and cheek and at the same time iterated a general agreement with Trinca.

Really, getting in a political discussion started off as a means of dealing with a bad 50+ hour case of insomnia last weekend and not meant to be a tipping point to a thermo nuclear war, but those things happen. 

as in 'didn't come off' 

 

what's the reason for new found obsession in it by the american politics nowadays?

A short dissertation will do. 

but I think it began with a recent entry the singer Sheryl Crow did on her blog about limiting
the use to one square for each go, three for realy tough ones; I didn't follow this closely so don't know if she meant political or personal edict. 

it's nothing more than fodder for the Daily Show writers and will be forgotten within two weeks. 

the single most important question is if you are a folder or a crumpler. but this rather belongs to the philosophy thread, doesn't it... 

http://bp3.blogger.com/_3jj3mzidCHA/RmPQ9gSA5qI/AAAAAAAAAIQ/Thk8WfALNwQ/s1600-h/Presentation1.png

"nothing can be done!" 

.. we are all already "cooked"... 

http://www.stormberry.tv/searchAndView.php?vid=youtube1Ic4xgOERgk&search=Bill+Maher+on+the+French&src=youtube&contrib=siwu

Quite funny IMHO, but I'm French so my objectivity is biaised :P 

people sometimes make political songs, books, films. is it possible to make a political game/level? 

I guess new monster models with Ben Laden, Bush Chirac, Sarkozy, Poutine, etc.. etc... is needed.. and the action should take place in all these leaders country (e.g Paris - France, USA - Washigton, etc.. etc...)
What do you think ? 

it's certainly possible, but it's limited only by people's general inability to make games as art -- generally, they don't know how and there's little precedent.

However, I would say that SimCity and SimEarth were both political, as they hard-wired their sociological and scientific beliefs into the game rules. These included beliefs about economic growth, sustainability, climate change, etc, which have political implications. Also, Civilization has the same sort of assumptions coded as rules:
http://econ161.berkeley.edu/movable_type/archives/000806.html

Of course, this isn't the only kind of political game you could have. You could write a very story-heavy game where the story was politically charged in the same way a movie is.

There's also game design as performance art, where you make a game about Columbine shootings, or the WTC plane crashes, and the game itself isn't as important as the reaction from people who don't actually play it. 

However, I would say that SimCity and SimEarth were both political, as they hard-wired their sociological and scientific beliefs into the game rules.  

Surely you remember the map inspired by COMMUNISM: http://rpg.leveldesign.org/pajitnov.html 

interesting point of view.

but I meant something a little different.

civilization, simcity are not the things I mean by saying "political game". in these games people play politicians again other (AI) politicians. those believes you mentioned are quite common imo and do not make much influence on people.

Also I didn't mean making games about certain political leaders/countries.

I meant (comparing to other forms of art) making a game with a hidden political message that doesn't say clearly "i like them/i don't like them". but if player digs deeper he may see some kind of author's point of view at political situations or forms of goverment or something like that. For example a game about humans making an expansion to some planet with independent lifeforms.

I doubt my english can describe my thoughts in a good way, but i hope that you catch the point. 

Very clearly a political title, and also freakin' hilarious. 

civ clone, but had factions that were very different in their beliefs and political systems... so it kinda put a highlight on how different man can live (and still be successful).