don't be morons. 

1. Video - only watched w/out sound, looked fine to me, I thought the whole Hell On Earth idea was a good one as long as the gameplay was more visceral and hectic than Doom 3. Having a sort of apocalyptic demon invasion aspect with a bit of a human crisis side *could* have worked well.

2. Doomnstein: The New Order - I think that could be fine, at least TNO focused pretty well on action and simple game mechanics. Could do with less farting around in your rebel base and less invisible walls, but the core gameplay, if beefed up and demonised a bit, could be suitable.

I seem to be less cynical about this than other people... 

People who saw the behind-closed-doors gameplay demo last year said it looked quake3-fast and very jumpy/platformy - a return to 1990s id - right? or am I imagining things? 

dnf was like a 50 on metacritic and every one still got it, and it was actually alright just a bunch of muppet haters/trolls being dicks because it wasn't 100/100. 

HTH. 

When OTP is calling something 'juvenile shit', you know it's bad 

 

 

The layouts encourage jumping, with the player leaping very high and gracefully.

There was a certain strange feeling I had during the demo, like something was out of place. About halfway through, I realized what it was: I NEVER see a game with this type of visual realism where the player can move and maneuver at this speed. Make no mistake: the fast guy from the id Tech 1 games is back, except his freedom of movement is closer to Quake 3 Arena. (No, this is NOT a parkour game, and the movement is not that exaggerated or overpowered, I'm just using the comparison to give you a better idea.) The enemies are faster too, but the player is faster still. The player speed and the type of graphical realism are like two different things your brain is not used to processing together in modern games, or at least that was my thought on it.

<czg> doom 4 fucking owns. everyone's going to hate it though.
<czg> three words: first person platformer  

No different to most American comedies and cartoons, South Park, for instance, which appears to be quite popular around the world.

Serious Sam 3 was just as juvenile, except not funny, far worse design and graphics and awfully repetitive gameplay. It's over 70% on Metacritic. 

 

otp - right, yeah that's the stuff. Just noticed links to those writeups can be found earlier in this thread too.

So yeah, all that stuff sounds very promising indeed. 

but I paid for it, played it once, and enjoyed it. So what does that make me?

A consumer? 

What a pile of shite. 

Played DNF a couple times, I wouldn't say it's terrible... I'd probably give it 2.5 out of 5. I preordered both RAGE and W:TNO, I'd give them 3 and 3.5, respectively.

I'm gonna preorder DOOM just the same, hopefully I can get some beta action.

I've read as many testimonies as I could find from people that saw the quakecon footage. I'm cautiously optimistic... emphasis on the optimism.

Also, I agree with the moster design we've seen so far. A departure from D3's clean, almost alien look to the more macabre, hellish fleshy-metal look of the original. 

I think they demonstrate, as otp says about the D4 demo report, the feasibility of combining graphical fidelity with action-orientated gameplay and decent player speed (not so much enemy speed but that could be done), and in a game that is reasonably successful and well-acclaimed.

File me under "CO" too. 

This video came out around the same time a to when RAGE was getting its own share of media backlash. Perhaps those two combined were what made id reconsider the direction behind Doom 4?

(If so, that's even more kudos for the "If Quake was made today" video...) 

Pros:
Seems fast, looks nice, Snapmap looks like an easy to use tool for prefabbing maps together. Speed seems reasonable. Very bloody.

Cons: Linear shooter with basically no projectiles, few enemies at a time, no vertical elements, and Snapmap seems to just make 2d layouts? Not sold on that. Lots of animations and such, will likely get annoying after awhile and seem to just be there to cover up the gameplay's weakpoints.

It's better than Doom3 by a mile, and likely better than most FPS games these days... but still lacking quite a bit. 

http://scar3crow.com/2015/06/doom-and-gloom/ 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NteAPGprDJk

not what i expected, seems pretty cool. some monster design seemed very quake4-like. makes me wonder if they're planning on consolidating that colorful scifi style with doom and going back to the lovcraftian/horror route with quake 5. 

At the end of the trailer there's a monster that bends forward and roars at the camera... ok. 

I dunno bout everyone else but I'm piss bored of the "eyeless zombie with a bell-end on its head" monster design. 

Paint-by-numbers console shooter with gore gimmick. Exciting stuff. 

yeah looks pretty cool. I was watching gamespots thoughts on it and they just dumped on it, saying it's not fast enough (seemed pretty quick to me, I don't want no serious sam, the last one was garbage), it's more like q2 (which is kind of true) but one complete moron saying he might as well just play painkiller. yes if you want to play a childish gimmicky game that's over 10 years old and looks shit compared to todays games, then piss off and play it.

I do hope this doesn't end up like most other id games and it become the popular thing to hate on it. I can't wait though.

Oh, I don't know if it was just the video but there seemed to be some framerate issues in the demo, especially during combat. Looks like my current computer won't handle it :( 

Might be fine as a one time playthrough experience which is what most FPS are nowadays.