utterly mediocre shooter with a bunch of plot forced down your throat.

I believe lots of people will buy it even if it gets the score of 50 on metacritic. I am one of them. 

Sure, it'll do well and will get great review scores. RPS will put it in their next Top 50 FPS games at #5.

Won't mean it isn't garbage. 

 

 

Nah, RPS would only do that if it was non violent, third person. 

Maybe if the was a female lead character who could plead a girl squad to voluntarily block the hell gates with a sitting blockade and whistles?

Alternatively TW could sleep with one of the editors. 

don't be morons. 

1. Video - only watched w/out sound, looked fine to me, I thought the whole Hell On Earth idea was a good one as long as the gameplay was more visceral and hectic than Doom 3. Having a sort of apocalyptic demon invasion aspect with a bit of a human crisis side *could* have worked well.

2. Doomnstein: The New Order - I think that could be fine, at least TNO focused pretty well on action and simple game mechanics. Could do with less farting around in your rebel base and less invisible walls, but the core gameplay, if beefed up and demonised a bit, could be suitable.

I seem to be less cynical about this than other people... 

People who saw the behind-closed-doors gameplay demo last year said it looked quake3-fast and very jumpy/platformy - a return to 1990s id - right? or am I imagining things? 

dnf was like a 50 on metacritic and every one still got it, and it was actually alright just a bunch of muppet haters/trolls being dicks because it wasn't 100/100. 

HTH. 

When OTP is calling something 'juvenile shit', you know it's bad 

 

 

The layouts encourage jumping, with the player leaping very high and gracefully.

There was a certain strange feeling I had during the demo, like something was out of place. About halfway through, I realized what it was: I NEVER see a game with this type of visual realism where the player can move and maneuver at this speed. Make no mistake: the fast guy from the id Tech 1 games is back, except his freedom of movement is closer to Quake 3 Arena. (No, this is NOT a parkour game, and the movement is not that exaggerated or overpowered, I'm just using the comparison to give you a better idea.) The enemies are faster too, but the player is faster still. The player speed and the type of graphical realism are like two different things your brain is not used to processing together in modern games, or at least that was my thought on it.

<czg> doom 4 fucking owns. everyone's going to hate it though.
<czg> three words: first person platformer  

No different to most American comedies and cartoons, South Park, for instance, which appears to be quite popular around the world.

Serious Sam 3 was just as juvenile, except not funny, far worse design and graphics and awfully repetitive gameplay. It's over 70% on Metacritic. 

 

otp - right, yeah that's the stuff. Just noticed links to those writeups can be found earlier in this thread too.

So yeah, all that stuff sounds very promising indeed. 

but I paid for it, played it once, and enjoyed it. So what does that make me?

A consumer? 

What a pile of shite. 

Played DNF a couple times, I wouldn't say it's terrible... I'd probably give it 2.5 out of 5. I preordered both RAGE and W:TNO, I'd give them 3 and 3.5, respectively.

I'm gonna preorder DOOM just the same, hopefully I can get some beta action.

I've read as many testimonies as I could find from people that saw the quakecon footage. I'm cautiously optimistic... emphasis on the optimism.

Also, I agree with the moster design we've seen so far. A departure from D3's clean, almost alien look to the more macabre, hellish fleshy-metal look of the original. 

I think they demonstrate, as otp says about the D4 demo report, the feasibility of combining graphical fidelity with action-orientated gameplay and decent player speed (not so much enemy speed but that could be done), and in a game that is reasonably successful and well-acclaimed.

File me under "CO" too. 

This video came out around the same time a to when RAGE was getting its own share of media backlash. Perhaps those two combined were what made id reconsider the direction behind Doom 4?

(If so, that's even more kudos for the "If Quake was made today" video...) 

Pros:
Seems fast, looks nice, Snapmap looks like an easy to use tool for prefabbing maps together. Speed seems reasonable. Very bloody.

Cons: Linear shooter with basically no projectiles, few enemies at a time, no vertical elements, and Snapmap seems to just make 2d layouts? Not sold on that. Lots of animations and such, will likely get annoying after awhile and seem to just be there to cover up the gameplay's weakpoints.

It's better than Doom3 by a mile, and likely better than most FPS games these days... but still lacking quite a bit. 

http://scar3crow.com/2015/06/doom-and-gloom/