The platforming aspect is something I really miss in fps nowadays. Actually, it's probably one of my fav things about Quake. Just went through Metal Monstrosity, platforming joy! 

 

... and there are only 528... :P 

 

I don't even want Doom 4 anymore. Natural Selection 2 is the best game ever. What I wan't is Natural Selection 3. The end. 

lol 

The last thing anyone needs is for Microsoft's "numbers as marketing" shenanigans to spread to ... anything else, really. 

RIP Call of Doom, 2008-2011, missed by nobody.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hot1aQJTw8 

That video OTP posted was Rage reskinned to be some fucking awful version of Doom.

I'm betting that the Doom being made now will be WolfTNO reskinned. A nice looking, but utterly mediocre shooter with a bunch of plot forced down your throat. 

utterly mediocre shooter with a bunch of plot forced down your throat.

I believe lots of people will buy it even if it gets the score of 50 on metacritic. I am one of them. 

Sure, it'll do well and will get great review scores. RPS will put it in their next Top 50 FPS games at #5.

Won't mean it isn't garbage. 

 

 

Nah, RPS would only do that if it was non violent, third person. 

Maybe if the was a female lead character who could plead a girl squad to voluntarily block the hell gates with a sitting blockade and whistles?

Alternatively TW could sleep with one of the editors. 

don't be morons. 

1. Video - only watched w/out sound, looked fine to me, I thought the whole Hell On Earth idea was a good one as long as the gameplay was more visceral and hectic than Doom 3. Having a sort of apocalyptic demon invasion aspect with a bit of a human crisis side *could* have worked well.

2. Doomnstein: The New Order - I think that could be fine, at least TNO focused pretty well on action and simple game mechanics. Could do with less farting around in your rebel base and less invisible walls, but the core gameplay, if beefed up and demonised a bit, could be suitable.

I seem to be less cynical about this than other people... 

People who saw the behind-closed-doors gameplay demo last year said it looked quake3-fast and very jumpy/platformy - a return to 1990s id - right? or am I imagining things? 

dnf was like a 50 on metacritic and every one still got it, and it was actually alright just a bunch of muppet haters/trolls being dicks because it wasn't 100/100. 

HTH. 

When OTP is calling something 'juvenile shit', you know it's bad 

 

 

The layouts encourage jumping, with the player leaping very high and gracefully.

There was a certain strange feeling I had during the demo, like something was out of place. About halfway through, I realized what it was: I NEVER see a game with this type of visual realism where the player can move and maneuver at this speed. Make no mistake: the fast guy from the id Tech 1 games is back, except his freedom of movement is closer to Quake 3 Arena. (No, this is NOT a parkour game, and the movement is not that exaggerated or overpowered, I'm just using the comparison to give you a better idea.) The enemies are faster too, but the player is faster still. The player speed and the type of graphical realism are like two different things your brain is not used to processing together in modern games, or at least that was my thought on it.

<czg> doom 4 fucking owns. everyone's going to hate it though.
<czg> three words: first person platformer  

No different to most American comedies and cartoons, South Park, for instance, which appears to be quite popular around the world.

Serious Sam 3 was just as juvenile, except not funny, far worse design and graphics and awfully repetitive gameplay. It's over 70% on Metacritic.