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Maybe the use of Quoth updated mod would motive you and necros a little bit more to deliver ;)
Any comments on that point ? not more than 1 month - everybody should be able to find some spare time in this period. the actual map is not supposed to be a masterpiece - a few days of mapping should be enough.
i agree 512x512 is a very very confined space, but remember it has to be challenging in a way. i could probably also accept 768. but 1024 is definitely too large (in connection with no vertical limit) in my view. play sm127 http://speedq1.leveldesign.org/files/sm127_pack.zip the maps don't have to be towers of course. a theme like this should, however (as kell already mentioned), inspire mappers to really focus on trying to pull off nice brushwork/gameplay within such tight restrictions, instead of just doing a 'regular' vertically oriented map. dunno about the entity thing. i'm still sceptical about the bosses. 512x512: barely any room for anything interesting if you don't want to rely almost exclusively on lifts (which I guess could still be interesting but it doesn't get me going), stairs/slopes needs some space to gain altitude.
768x768: yay! 1024x1024: Big enough for people to be able to stay in their comfort zone and build much like their used too. Timelimit: A month or two? Shouldn't be too long to make it into a really big project like Kell wrote but still it can't be too short, many people have other things to do and might not be able to dedicate some time on this if the timespan is too short. For example I have too many things to think about now in May but during the summer I will only a have a full time job to worry about! ok, so I forgot about wind tunnels (and water...) when saying when saying 512x512 would be lift paradise.
Sounds like 768 is gaining support. I agree that it makes a sense; 1024 is perhaps a bit big ( I just jump automatically from one power-of-two to the next. it's a texture artist thing :P )
dunno about the entity thing. i'm still sceptical about the bosses. Me too. I wouldn't think they should be in it. That's why I asked metlslime for clarification. Also: are people assuming both the "vertical" and "every entity" themes should be used? I think that's a really bad idea o_0 Maybe the use of Quoth updated mod would motive you and necros a little bit more to deliver ;) Any comments on that point ? Necros sent me the quoth source code after I asked for it in the base pack thread. He's not working on quoth now because he's too busy. I need a replacment coder. I'll post about it in the base pack thread. 1 month sounds better for me, since it'll take me more time to get some mapping done for Quake.
Vertical thing sounds good, why not just have something like any range up to and including 1024 for horizontal limit? I don't like using every entity at least once or exactly once or any once. I do like Quoth requirements. I think the longer the theme gets discussed, the less inspirational it's going to be. So before anything else, perhaps there should be a 'deadline' for formulating the rules. Once that deadline has passed, the guidelines will be set in stone and there won't be any irritating little changes and disputes as there were at the beginning of the base pack.
Personally I think we could finalize the specifics within twelve hours, which would allow everybody to get started safe in the knowledge that they know what they're doing. I like 768 with a limit on teleporters [like they only work horizontally or vertically]. I also think that it should be OK for any entities other than the player to exist outside of the agreed floorspace. I don't know about everyone else, but due to finals, i probably wouldn't even be able to start until late May.
Perhaps a first of July deadline could accomodate this nicely? Oh yeah, and if the idea for a map i had ends up working out, Kell's "R'lyeh" skybox is going to get some usage. 768 x 768, with the player contained within that i.e. no stairs or lifts outside of that area
all 'floor' levels to be above or below each other i.e. no offsetting a higher or lower floor to give extra width skyboxes OK floating levels OK (stairs, lifts, jumping down, no teleporting) teleporting the player forbidden teleporting monsters OK using the standard out of sight room (player can't get there) end of June deadline all entites from the standard QUAKED set to be used at least once, except non-SP types and the two bosses, which will not be used at all no restriction on the number of times any entity can be used standard progs.dat info_null 'tricks' OK to use free choice of textures no skill settings minimum 50 monsters, maximum 100 i'd say something simple like:
* the height of the map must be 2x it's width minimum. so if your map is 800 in width, it has to be at least 1600 high. i don't think we should mix too many rules. I'm leaning towards:
* all entities/brushfaces inside 768x768 * no teleporting the player * deadline june 30 * standard progs.dat We shouldn't pile too many ideas or unrelated restrictions into one event. i don't think we should mix too many rules. I'm leaning towards:
* all entities/brushfaces inside 768x768 * no teleporting the player * deadline june 30 * standard progs.dat We shouldn't pile too many ideas or unrelated restrictions into one event. Nice and simple. I like it. the height of the map must be 2x it's width minimum
Except some asshat is going to get the idea to make just a really fucking tall skybox. "What, it's playable area." but I'm using quoth Everyone else should, too. I don't really get WHY you want to forbid tp use - does it have anything to do with the vertical thing at all? you could always gain height fast with a fast plat... I don't get it. Teleporters allow for nicer backtracking routes and all...gah
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