i before e, except after c. d'oh! 

except after c and beige beigel fanciers. 

In all of the several hundred attempts I had trying to kill him, I tried every single bloody time to get behind his back, starting off behind his back and circling to keep behind him. The result?? He turns around, leads his shots with blatantly calculated AI precision, and kills me.

This is on hard skill, BTW, on other skills maybe he does something different. 

i told jago to add columns in the final arena to prevent frustration on hard/nightmare. he forgot that or something ;)
cuz when i played armagon on nightmare he threw me violently to another corner of the arena and then killed in 2 secs with his precise rockets... 

Here's a demo of me killing Armagon on Hard: http://jago.spawnpoint.org/misc/armakill.dz (packed with dzip). It could've been even easier if I had actually picked up some lighting gun cells, but I just noclipped through right to Armagon to get right to the point. It's easy. 

I concede the following:

Being able to defeat Armagon in this map is entirely dependent on the distance from him that you circle around him. If you follow the intuitive course of action and stay as far away as possible (which is also where the size of arena and position of health packs encourage you to stay), then he is extremely difficult to defeat indeed. If you follow the counter-intuitive course of action and stay up close with a very powerful rocket-firing monster that kicks you away when you're too close, Armagon is reasonable to defeat.

Still sucks though. 

Which is exactly how I did it. Still boring as fuck though. 

http://jago.spawnpoint.org/misc/fullrun.dz

This is a 100% run on Hard, including both secrets. 

beaten too it by the Smabler 

Brushwork: excellent, top notch. Really nice base style, and loads of detail. A lot of time has been spent on this and it shows. Good work, old chap.

Lighting: Pretty good too. I noticed that there were quite a few largely unlit surfaces (on ceilings predominantly), but it didn't detract too much.

Gameplay. Pretty straightforward and fun. Nothing really struck me as annoying, so a thumbs up here :)

(Actually, the Armagon battle would have been really annoying had I not read the comments already posted on how to defeat him, so yeah, maybe that should have taken place in an area with a bit of cover).

New stuff: I thought the mega-enforcers had truly crap sound effects; you should have just used the normal enforcer sounds for them, it wouldn't have detracted ;)

Centroids: hmmm, their strafing seemed a bit, um, mental - especially when I was firing the nailgun. I don't seem to recall this behaviour in SoA, but it *was* a long time ago.

Overall then, a really solid release with some truly smashing visuals. I look forward to seeing some wonderful architecture in your future maps :) 

New stuff: I thought the mega-enforcers had truly crap sound effects; you should have just used the normal enforcer sounds for them, it wouldn't have detracted ;)
Did I miss something or didn't they use the original sounds? If they did, shame on you kelkinny! Zer is the most awesome thing ever and you can't fault it! 

shame on you kelkinny!

Grrr >:| How many times? Kinn and I are *not* the same person!!! 

I meant to say *Kell* and I are not the same person.

(wow I really helped the situation there :P) 

#37 posted by Kinn [217.43.151.34] on 2005/01/05 15:38:18
shame on you kelkinny!

Grrr >:| How many times? Kinn and I are *not* the same person!!!

pwnd. 

I played on hard and got all kills and all secrets.

Nice looking map and a bit maze like. Multi-level base style fights and the Mega-Enforcers were fun but I agree that they need better sound - blame the original creators for that. I liked the curved ramps and pipes and the outdoor rock looked good enough. Rich and detailed, crampy and pretty fun. This is not a high stress map. The Q2 sounds fit in well. The end slipgate was novel and cool looking.

I'm not a boss fan, but I played through before reading this thread and on skill 2, I beat down Armagon by circling behind his back with the LG followed by a couple pumps of double shotty. I did the fight twice without dying and it was over in a matter of seconds. He's an easy kill for me and I'm not a good boss fighter. 

lol @ kinn

on map:
excellent brushwork, love the attention to detail and all that good stuff as was mentioned before. map wasn't too hard, and had good pacing (started off nice and slow, spooky almost progressed to harder encounters well) maybe was a bit easy though.
also, the armagon trick makes the ending simple.

excellent map!
http://www.planetquake.com/necros/temp/ne_araivo.dz 

Best things were gameplay and architecture, lots of places to jump around and high interconnectivity. Ammo/health balance was good, although I felt the place was slightly underpopulated.

Armagon fight was bad since either you know the trick to kill him or you don't, either way you lose since there's no real fight to be had. I put him down just by running up front and frying him.

I wasn't too keen on the combination of high brush detail and textures though; the total impression was too "busy". Lighting was a bit too dark but otherwise well distributed. Overall, a good map.

Btw Jago, did you have any Too many light styles ... issues around Armagon? 

Yes. I initially tried having 5 sets of switchable lights and light.exe barked at me, so I had to reduce it to 4 sets. 

http://www.auic38.dsl.pipex.com/downloads/araivo_136.dz 1.36 

http://www.auic38.dsl.pipex.com/downloads/araivo_128.dz 

fun map, ... good layout... imho. custom monsters were cool, last battle was neat (i beat i think first try though i hadn't seen armagon before). works great in Tomazquake (i know nobody uses that anymore i guess, i'll have to get Fitzquake.) 

Sure, yeah, whatever, and Daz and Dranz are different persons, too. Pfft. 

Apart from Armagon on skill 2, like everyone else says. I telefragged him more or less accidentally on my first play though -- I think you should at least have to rj to do that... 

great map!! 

I liked.