but darkplaces can load q3 bsps. Im not saying that yay we all use 3 pass shaders for everything and make it crap but mappers would certainly get more freedom with the q3bsp map support. Though this wont be 100% compatible with other engines so bah :/

Good to know the project is moving forwards though, looking forward to it!

Dont remove the cutscenes! The nehahra cutscnes were great! I managed to watch the entire seal of nehahra, yeah it was too long =) but very interresting none the less.

And err, I think I speak for everyone when I say "Bring back teh ph1l!" :D 

I'd say if your going to use darkplaces, use its features as much as possible. Q3bsp, maybe some realtime lights, MD3 models, etc. Why does it matter if it won't run on all engines if it is a standalone game? 

nt 

'Why Not Just Do The Whole Thing In Q3 Then?'

1) DarkPlaces is a more advanced engine that clocks better on Q3 material (bsp, md3) than Q3.
2) Programming in QuakeC or MindCrimes Pascal Hybrid is a piece of cake compared to programming for Quake Arena.
3) you take all commercial considerations out as a factor. A total conversion would cost the end user nothing except in the time to download.
4) in my sujective opinion there appears to be more activity these days in the Quake scene than the Quake 3 scene. 

That's pretty much solely based upon this board I'll bet. :-) 

Well, if you include Urban Terror, Generations Arena and the rest of the team based mod community in the argument, I am waayyy, wayyy, off base, but for vanilla Q3 Arena, I've noticed a drop off of activity in forums and play. 

making a q3sp game will go the way of CF. :P

you'd have to make AI pretty much from scratch which would probably take a long time. 

Don't bother arguing that one ...
Really ...

I don't do Q3. It's bad for you :P 

Mindcrime: So is smoking... ;P 

yes, it should be self-evident as mindcrime says.

for a single player project of this nature;

Q1 is 1000 times > Q3. 

q3 does have all the cool engine things like hint and detail (and caulk) and such... i don't know if it's possible, but if it is, and seeing as this is a tc, you could try to code that into the q1 engine... but i don't know anything about that. 

be able to run on 8mb of ram..

thats the important part 

'... i don't know if it's possible, but if it is, and seeing as this is a tc, you could try to code that into the q1 engine'

Dark Places, man. Ydnars q3map2 can autocaulk the hell out of a map. 

Before this leads to a pointless off topic discussion, I realize the phrase I threw out 'autocaulk' can cause some confusion (since it was made up off the cuff, so to speak, by, errrr, me).

Caulking with Q3map2 involves areaportals, antiportals and other brushes that are specific to Q3map2, and is not done as implied, 'automatically'.

I was referring to the -meta function which decomposes brushes and then regroups them more effeciently than is done by other means. Not actually caulking but it does increase a maps performance nevertheless, and who isn't for increased performance, eh? 

I've updated the Obscurus website. Though if you happened to see it before, you won't see much new ...

http://www.planetquake.com/nehahra/obs

I think it needs different graphics, more in line with the feel of Obscurus, and ...

well Nightmare Interactive sounds lame ...

However simple and to the point! 

"Finally (for now), there will be those who cannot conceive of why someone would build a game on the Quake engine as there are so many more "advanced" engines to choose from. This, fundamentally, is an artistic choice. "

I don't understand this at all. The engine has nothing to do with the art unless your using quake1 or another games content. I wouldn't suggest using realtime lights, because I understand you don't want that plastic feel. But there are still many many reasons to use an engine like darkplaces. Darkplaces runs levels faster, better with newer hardware, and tons of other great features which have nothing to do with eyecandy (scripted menus, video switching, md3 model tags, etc). With a better engine you can increase the gameplay by having much bigger levels, much more monsters and such possible. It doesn't have to be all eyecandy. 

A lot of the site content was written 2 years ago :P

However, what engine you choose to build on *is* an artistic choice. And the word 'art' is a broad term that covers more than just the literal artwork. Whether you draw what you wish to express, or sculpt it in clay, is an artistic choice. What kind of clay you use is an artistic choice. If you draw it, what pencils or paper you use, or what paint and canvas you use, and etc, is an artistic choice. Whether you wish to tell a story with a book or a screenplay, or a cartoon or machinima or clay-mation or a movie, is a fookin' artistic choice. :P Whatever means of expression you use to convey what is in your mind to other people is an artistic choice.

In short: Bite me.

:) 

Second thought. Fuggit. I backed it up and deleted it. It's better not to have a site for now. Better to wait until the development is at a stage where I'm ready to bring other people in. Besides, I don't want to feel obligated to keep updating the site during my development ... and it will only serve to draw annoying emails besides :P 

The funniest thing with Darkplaces is it completely doesn't work on my system (duron1000, 256mbddr333, gf2mx440 (with new drivers)), so it would be kinda sucky not to be able to play Obscurus if Mindy sticks himself to Darkplaces ;) 

I reckon the choice of engine isn't too important as long as the final product can be distributed standalone, with no need for the original quake to be installed whatsoever. 

'I wouldn't suggest using realtime lights, because I understand you don't want that plastic feel.'

That infamous look that we all experienced when we fired up Tenebrae the first time comes from the odd fact that engine defaults with every texture getting a full gloss pass. It isn't a real problem with real time lighting, just a poor design and aesthetic choice of the Tenebrae team. For a better fix on what well done RTS would look like, I would recommend the Dues Ex Invisible War screen shots. 

you can have dynamic lights without the gloss effect. it could be cool too. industri uses tenebrae and it's pretty awesome in terms of lighting... 

I'd just like to take this oppurtunity to express what an amazing, astounding, unbelievably awesome piece of work the Seal Of Nehahra was :)

I don't actually have any suggestions for this thread, I just wanted to say that. 

thumbs up for cut scenes!

SON was awesome, yes it was bloody long but the story was great! Even if you just did an hour story (heh, "only" an hour!) that would be great. 

not even suggesting that you repeat making a cinematic feature for Obscurus, or even that you use cut-scenes at all. I'm just saying Seal of Nehahra kicked so much ass it's unbelievable, no strings attached =)