is another instant classic.

this is amazing stuff, you can see the 16 mths of effort. Lovely work. 

shame it won't work in fitzquake. I hate the lighting in regular gl engines (of all maps, not just this) and winquake looks and runs very poorly.

I did play through the first map though. Seems like good stuff so far, and the music is quite spooky. Liking it :)

By the way, the bind for the plasma gun is impulse 250, in case anyone else is having the same problem I was :) 

seriously, level one is no indication of what is to come. just keep playing. 

it seems like there's a bug in these gl engines... if the video resolution you choose is not 4:3 ratio, it still sets the vertical fov as if it was ... the result is that everyone looks short and fat when i play at 1680x1050.

I don't have glquake installed at the moment, but it seems like this was not a bug in the original glquake. But I could be wrong... 

ye than first level for me is a litle borring becouse gameplay is very slowed becouse of to much shambers in my opinion... but after that... are level for us not forget good quality and a size of maps real huge 

There's no explicit support for it in my engines, AFAIK there never was any such support. In GLQuake 0.97, it looks the same and you can't even change fov at all ...

I'd suggest using std 4:3 resolution. 

3 instant classics now, nightmare tangent is also fantastic. 

bit of a mixed bag for me. the maps are pretty nice for the most part, but 500+ monsters are just far too many to be enjoyable - it became boring, sometimes even annoying after a while (it's ok for one map, not for an entire episode). and it was very, i mean VERY hard on skill 2 - i was constantly low on health and sometimes even ran out of ammo. each map took me about an hour, maybe more, and LOTS of quickloading. switched to skill 1 after three maps and it became much better.

warpa could have been more detailed, still ok.
warpb conveyed a certain atmosphere i can't put my finger on. low lightlevel, fog, gritty textures and vast repetitive environment, the industrial juggernaut i would never want to end up in. by repetitive i mean there weren't many clearly distinct areas, or rather areas that really stood out - at least i had the impression. some bits were pretty bland.
warpc was cool (knave trims are a bitch to align properly). so were warpd and warpe, which had a very cool theme (also an insane amount of secrets, but i hardly found any).
the shortcut teleporters in all of the maps were very handy.

the sleeping player gibbing looked buggy: one could see the telefrag zombie.
what's up with the items' bounding boxes? they are like in qw or something - it's harder to pick them up, requires the player to really touch their center/origin.

quoth: being killed by polyp gibs prints a "fell to this death" message. i still don't like the plasmagun sound - and why did it emit a red light when hitting a wall? 

I think it's because ijed rotates the boxes slightly to make it look more realistic, I've seen that before in other maps. It's a nice touch, but annoying.

The polyp gib obituary seems like a QC bug. The red light from PG is just how NehQuake displays that type of effect.

As for boring/hard/easy gameplay, check out the extra coop modes ... 

i can't tell for sure, but there might be more to it. at least i've never experienced such a behavior with rotated items before. 

I noticed the items that were rotated were much harder to pick up. I think the problem is that the bounding boxes are the same as normal, but that ammo models are rotated about one corner rather than the centre. Quake bounded boxes don't change at all with the entity's rotation, so the boxes end up quite a long way out of place. From one direction the items are hard to pick up, from the other you pick them up before you appear to touch them. Trying to work out what's going on is made harder by the fact than ammo has the FL_ITEM flag, which makes the bounding box larger for players.

This same bug occurs in quake as well, it's just that lots of the ammo in these maps is rotated, so it's more noticable. I could probably write a new setsize function that would set a corrected bounding box. It would take into account the rotation of the entity and shift the position of the box accordingly(assuming of course that the given size is correct for a rotation of 0 degrees). The bounding boxes would still be parallel to the x and y axes, that's the only possibility in quake. But the boxes could be scaled to be a square that would exactly contain the hypothetical rotated bbox. Would this be a good fix? 

Warpspasm is the longest map pack I have ever played. With each level taking about an hour to complete (disregarding the first and the last), along with around 550 monsters, and VERY hard on skill 2, this pack is a blast. Highly recommended. Play it now! 

...can someone remind me what the final, fixed, release download is, cheers. 

the one linked in the news post. 

SDA is not supporting Quoth based maps.

I thought recording just for fun, personnaly I like watching runs on large maps, it�s like a movie :) 

There's no explicit support for it in my engines, AFAIK there never was any such support. In GLQuake 0.97, it looks the same and you can't even change fov at all ...

I'd suggest using std 4:3 resolution.

Yeah, I've been doing that. Just wish I could play in fullscreen on my wide-aspect LCD.

It's hard to remember now, but I thought that the code to correctly calculate vertical FOV was already in the source when I started making fitzquake. On the other hand, I did do some work on that part of the code, so maybe it never really worked before I touched it.

And, I recall the fixed FOV in glquake being not a missing feature, but an existing feature locked out by an id software programmer (not carmack) who thought high FOV was cheating and decided to disable it when working on the glquake port. 

A quakec patch to calculate better boxes would be worthwhile for a pack like this where all the items are rotated.

For mappers in general working with unpatched quakec, I would suggest never rotating an item box more than about 10-15 degrees.

Note that all items in quake have their bboxes expanded in code (by 16 units i think) to make them easier to touch, including items on shelves. This compensates for any small rotation because you still can't get too close before picking it up. But if it's been rotated like 135 degrees, the 16 units won't be enough obviously. 

I'd like to see a basic progs fix, for stuff like the fish couting twice (you'll notice there aren't any in Warp)and ammo bbox box.

Then we, as a community, agree that it's the basic version that everyone should use. I gauruntee there's lots more I don't know about that could be cleaner and more efficient. I'm not sure why this doesn't already exist, to be honest, it's a logical progression when the community of ten year old game keeps playing it.

Most mods have implemented the fixes that sneaked through the playtesting phase, but there's no basic 'use this' id1 progs.

I'm not a coder. 

on my Dell 24' with run command line:
...\glwarp.exe\ -quoth -game warp -heapsize 48000 -width 1920 -bpp 32 

with FOV either! (autoexec.cfg) 

Command line above should read:
...\glwarp.exe -quoth -game warp -heapsize 48000 -width 1920 -bpp 32 

chase_active 1 fov 110

appended to that - I put in a bind to 1 for autoswitch to the sword chase_active as an experiment, but it couldn't work with impuse 10 / 12 and I play with mousewheel for weapon switch.

It works good - first person close combat is shit. 

I want to see some demos on these lovely maps!

So I went ahead and recorded this as a starter; an easy run through warpe in 49 seconds. There "may" be more shortcuts than the single one I found...

http://mandelmassa.net/quake/div/warpe_049.dz 

ok, just tested it again and you are right.
i never experienced this before because i was always using only small angles. everthing <90 seems to work fine.

forgot to mention btw: i liked the music ;) 

Map the first (the snowy one).

Skill 2, GLWarp.exe, Quoth on, 85/87, 4/5, two deaths (one at first Smabler ambush as I was saving MHs and at 20-ish health when Smables appeared, one at end cos I was running around doing....something).

Cool map! I like it. Like the style, unusual feel. Some inside bits were quite plain. But overall the vibe was good. I like the fog and lava ball effects at the end, proper dramatic. Good secrets too. I really like the gameplay - the combination of easy Grunts, nice snipery Rocket Grunts, and mental Shamble ambushes was....quite refreshing really. It worked well and was well balanced too.

Music was okay, fitted well. The monster movement does me head in a bit although it's kinda cool on the Smablers.