I am sure a proper mapped remake of Q2DM1 or indeed any other map - preferably using all the mapping quality available in QuakeLive - although of course much more preferably using original content, will be very welcome here. 

"I thought that first, im gonna sue you!"
"That was my idea, im gonna SUE YOU"
POWER MONEY MONEY POWER

ok you can delete it 

Who invited the kindergarten? 

There's a whole shitload of not realizing going on here.

Like people not realizing that nobody gives a flying fuck about some random on the net who thinks he knows every in and out of "copyright law" and proceeds to inform everyone without ever stating a single bit of the "laws" he is supposedly drawing such conclusions from.


Who's law?

Is there some magical internet wide copyright law we should all know about now? 

Well, you obviously DO give a flying carpet fuck about it. Welcome to Func btw. 

the caring would be about him or her, not "it"

I don't care about his/her non-points and non-evidence.

I do care that he's acting like a douche for no apparent reason other than he's sick and tired of people thinking they know better than he does.

couple that with the bashing of a guy's contribution who probably had no idea that he'd generate such a "legit modder" backlash for releasing some content ripped from another game, on a board where people regularly post content that is ripped from other games, and you'll get why I'm posting.

Mappers don't all start out making their own shit from scratch. They often try converting something they like from one game to another just to learn how mapping works for a certain game.

If they all got crapped on at this point over some copyright non-issues, based on intellectual property laws in one country that are completely ludicrous, none of them would get beyond that point and make original content.

they'd probably just think modders are stuck up.

:P 

I am sure a proper mapped remake of Q2DM1

Funny you should mention that . . .

Mappers don't all start out making their own shit from scratch.

Most do? Very few mappers will convert something as their first attempt at mapping because it means having knowledge of both games as well as the more complex tools needed to make the conversion.

Word to the wise - when you're spouting transparent bullshit remember that there are people who know what you're talking about who will call you out on it. 

Just come down guys, I can understand your point of view - but I think you took it a bit to personal. Didnt mean to degrade any of your work, nor to say i got any mapping skills at all. As I said I didnt even made the q3 conversion, why I called it 'conversion of converted q2dm1', and didnt remember who made that one.
To name Willtis wasnt relevant, because everybody knows that.

I posted the map here because I think its a cool site and i thought some people might wanna have it BECAUSE it was so close to the original.

The understand the argument that it wasnt worth to convert in the first place only, if I look at it from the 'developing' perspective.

That's the problem, we got here.
Because I dont care about any textures, lighting or other fancy stuff. I guess with my cfg and picmip settings I wouldnt be able to see stuff like that anyway.

But in terms of gameplay, design and item placement the edge is such a clever made map, which most of the mp maps today are simply not.
I also prefer the original textures, because I love the old q2 look.

Its totally ok you deleted it, because this is your site and you can do whatever you want.

kk?

And when I said wolf has some similarity with the horrible CoD I was talking about the MP. For me thats what matters in a rtcw sequel.

I also attached a picture of a PigMonkey 

"not staying long..."

One can hope, but I have a feeling this won't end anytime soon. They care so little, they're posting novels. 

Tends to overreact, it's the internet.

Willem was just making an observation though.

PigMonkey for RemakeQuake . . . 

....chill out a little.

People like Willem and Megmn always go on about licenses and copyright because they have to deal with the real side of it.

Hobbyists and Quake1 modders have had huge epic battles over the issue in the past. Some of the guys here actually hate some of the other guys because they will/wont release the sources to their mods (!)

Its not an argument which is going to be resolved on this thread. There have been threads dedicated to the topic in the past which have failed to do anything except spread bad karma.

Which is, btw, what you are doing, or trying to do by flame baiting everyone here.

TBH converting a hugely popular Quake2 map to QuakeLIVE is kinda cool but I think somewhere between trying to encourage you to re-make the map from scratch, or in a format which people can actually PLAY the map online, this has gone horribly wrong.

Now there's one or more person with their feelings fondled, and animosity has sprung out of a bit of fun.

And some people are just enjoying the argument, others are participating AND enjoying it..... 

I don't care about his/her non-points

Only I may award non-points.

So far Willem has 2 for righteous anger, the 'mapper' has 4 for 'making' the thing in the first place, his cohorts have -23 for general idiocy and Sham has 17 for approving it as news and starting this whole argument.


Also, my first map was a box. Full of crates. (rly. it got 0.5/5 from Zan at MPQ) 

Some of the guys here actually hate some of the other guys because they will/wont release the sources to their mods (!)

Or, we (I?) just hate the noncooperative/non-positive-sum nature of closed-source hobbyist modding. 

Where's the league table link? 

Off the Ho Chi Minh trail! 

Should we just stand around waiting to get our ears raped with repetitive crap about copyrights "because someone has to deal with the real side of them"?

I don't think so.

Someone should go back to working on the real side of them, and perhaps fuck off, instead of repeatedly jumping up and down about some shit that will never be relevant, in a thread that's now dead, thanks to people like him with a giant stick in their ass.

Is iD going to sue this guy for copyright infringement on a hastily made rip of someone elses rip of one of the maps that they freely distribute with a patch? NO?

Then shut your fucking mouth about it.


BTW, I do make maps textures and models, and I have repeatedly helped others start making them who've asked me "how can I convert this map, since I'm not any good with brushes?" 

You don't care though. Let's make that perfectly clear. 

I'm sorry for the controversy caused with this, and I'm sorry if deleting the news item is the wrong thing to do.

I don't feel as strongly as other people on this site about copyright abuse, but I do feel the resulting arguing and several very bitchy anonymous posts (NOT yours explaining your side, they are fine) are not beneficial to the site nor communication about mapping. Ideally metlslime would move this to a discussion thread and perhaps something useful could be hammered out about the role of copyright in non-profitable conversions and whether they should be promoted. 

Is that these guys are actually doing more good for the community in many instances than bad.

I attacked Lunaran for critiscisingone of my projects in the past, but ultimately Lunaran was a cool guy to have on the 'board, and he actually had many-a valid opinion.

We dont always have to agree on everything. The best thing is to agree to disagree 

When your regs sit around here posting negative crap all day, shitting on other's contributions and statements without evidence and instead resorting to ad hominems because they have no actual point, you can expect quite a few bitchy posts.

I doubt "willem" gives a crap about what's beneficial to your site unless it directly effects the number of people subjected to reading his mindnumbing elitist responses.

PS:

anonymous posts are not anonymous when the IP is quite visible above them.

effectively there are no anons here so why should anyone bother to register a name?

So we can have uber cool colored letters on top of the posts that about 3 people read and then shit on? 

Fuckoff.

Ive tried being reasonable and explaining myself here, but your just not listening. Try saying something remotely constructive, set an example of the level of conversation you are prepared to pitch.

I mean this is getting old. OK, we get it, youre pissed off, you blame Willem, you're smarter and cooler than he is and you know what everyone else is thinking. Old news.

New News:

Go away and leave unless you have something to add other than defensive abusive vulgar comments. Please. 

To be honest, posting anonymously [a person would have to impress me GREATLY to make me bother memorizing/backtracking their IP] marginalizes anything the poster wanted to say. Unlucky anon(s), your hard-fought argument is ultimately worthless.

Anyway, ZLZ clearly isn't a bad person and obviously didn't intend to cause offense. 

apparently you guys can dish it out with gusto when some new mapper puts up something he spent a little time on, but you can't take a bit of criticism from an "anon" when you take 15 seconds to post some absolute tripe.

I'm not surprised.

For the record, I haven't said or implied any of the shit you just mentioned, and you're just grasping at straws and mouthstuffing to develop some semblance of a reason to post.

your comments went from "peace love and let everyone just disagree" to "fuck off" in the course of one hour, when I didn't even address a comment to you.

I think we know who is the reasonable one here, and it's not you brother.


I understand your point: Some criticism is useful. You don't seem to understand the ones I was repeatedly trying to get thru:


1. All criticism is not useful, like spirits "Your map is fugly"

2. People crapping on this guys map contribution and declaring it illegal are not doing anyone any good.

3. Copyright laws are only applicable in their country of origin if the someone who actually holds them cares about the content covered, not all over the fuckin net like some sort of all encompassing commandment from god 

I don't care if you are being honest. You're still displaying the very same sort of attitude that would lead a person to conclude that you think you are something special (iow an elitist prick)

Get the fuck over it, it's a little colorful name above a post. The content of the post is what matters not how many times you've +1'd someone else's comments to swell your postcount, or how long you've been a member at whatever forum/board/community. 

Don't be sorry, you did nothing wrong.

Im going to drink some beers now, which is always the best thing to do.

and remember!