Might want to ponder that.

;)

... 

Ok, Here's a simple question for you Mugwump. Are you a moderator or admin on func_msgboard?

If the answer is yes, then feel free to tell people like mfx where they should put their posts - in fact, why not move it yourself, since you have moderation tools?

If the answer is no, why tell someone where to post? You are not in a position of authority over anyone, and pressuring them to leave a thread or post elsewhere isn't your job. Hence "pushing people around" and "vigilante".


Also, how is "ww triggered me, I must therefore respond likewise" a good excuse? That's like saying it's okay to steal someone's lunch because they stole yours. Two wrongs don't make a right... 

Well, I think it was respectful of Mugwump toward vicpas (the author of the "RTCW - Age of Horror" thread) to suggest moving the off-course discussion away from vicpas's thread. Why should you have to be a moderator to suggest moving discussion elsewhere out of respect toward the OP? And I don't think his suggestion was written in a rude manner:

Guys, if you want to continue this discussion, let's move it to GA, shall we? It has nothing to do in a RTCW post.

I'd also like to address this quote from Pritchard:

Also, how is "ww triggered me, I must therefore respond likewise" a good excuse? That's like saying it's okay to steal someone's lunch because they stole yours. Two wrongs don't make a right...

You're right Pritchard, but I think kwenan and ww should also be scolded, for acting upon their anger when they were triggered by Mugwump's tone. If Mugwump's tone (the ;) and ... symbols) triggers you, there are more civilized ways to find out whether he was indeed being rude, or if there's simply just been a classic misinterpretation of text-trasmitted communication that may have just made Mugwump's text seem rude. I think you guys ganging up on him while leaving kwenan and ww unaccounted for is unfair and bully behavior.

And actually, I've been feeling partially to blame for this whole thing, because I myself was steering the discussion away from vicpas's "Age of Horror" level pack in the thread. And for that, I'm sorry. 

Nothing ever happens in a vacuum, so there's definitely blame to be laid at the feet of everyone involved to some degree. However the point I was trying to demonstrate was specifically addressed towards Mugwump, as he had become the most inflammatory person at that point.
There's less (but still something) to be said about ww's behavior, or yours and mine in comparison, and the topic of the conversation quickly focused on Mugwump's tendency to interject in ways that bothered other users.

As respectful to vicpas as Mugwump could be said to have been, it wasn't his place to make those suggestions, and it rubbed people the wrong way. I would say that getting so annoyed about someone suggesting that you're being offtopic that you start beef is a bit much, but beef was met with beef and so on and so on.

(by the way, I wouldn't bother being overly sincere about any of this... simply because this really shouldn't be a big deal...) 

Are you a moderator or admin on func_msgboard?
No, but I remember my early days on this board, when I was guilty of indulging in ongoing OT and got repeatedly scolded for it. I've learned my lesson and now, whenever an OT that I have participated in (I've just checked and I'm not the instigator after all, I only replied to Esrael - blame him! lol) drags on a little too much, I ask the people involved to move to GA. How is that a bad thing? And about it not being my place, let me tell you that I've been congratulated for it several times by historical figures of Func_ like Baker.

tell people like mfx where they should put their posts
Can't you tell the difference between an order and a question?

pressuring them to leave a thread or post elsewhere
Again with this? How can you possibly infer pressure from the suggestion Esrael quoted (and adequately analyzed) in #362?

Also, how is "ww triggered me, I must therefore respond likewise" a good excuse?
It's not an excuse, it's an explanation. I'm certainly not a diplomat and I tend to act like a mirror and give people a taste of their own medicine. If they're cool, I'm cool but if they act like jerks, gloves are off. And I most certainly don't have to give excuses for it while the jerks keep on jerking like if I was to blame. You don't want me to bother you, then don't piss me off with bullshit, plain and simple (not you Pritchard, I'm using the generic "you" here).

Lastly, on what planet exactly is a fuckin' wink considered rude?! Tone is precisely why emoticons were invented, and if someone mistakes benevolence/kindness/playfulness for rudeness, they seriously need to reassess their communication chops. Similarly, 3 dots usually imply a continuation to a story or a conclusion to be drawn. Not rude either. 

benevolence/kindness/playfulness
Sorry, I meant benevolence/friendliness/playfulness. 

I haven't been on the board for very long, and even I have seen quite a few cases like (new) people posting beta maps somewhere else than the "Screenshots & Betas" thread, for example.

Then, people (who weren't moderators, if I recall correctly) would advice the posters to post their maps in the betas thread in the future and inform them that they'll move over to the betas thread to give their feedback. Nobody made a fuss about it back then, so why should they now?

Maybe because winks and emoticons like :D CAN be interpreted as sarcastic and passive aggressive signs over the Internet. Just shows how important non-verbal communication is, it seems. 

Okay this beef shit is fucking retarded. I insincerely apologize for been a shithead and telling you to fuck off. That will have to do. There isn't anything else to bang on about so we'll just call it a win for me. 

I love how you can squeeze a "sincere" apology with (emoticon-free) passive-aggressiveness in only 3 lines... Couldn't you just leave it at the hatchet burial? I would have gladly accepted (I don't enjoy conflict) but that last bit just ruined your so-called sincerity big time!

And yes, you're right, it is retarded. 

Pritchard:
(by the way, I wouldn't bother being overly sincere about any of this... simply because this really shouldn't be a big deal...)

ww:
I insincerely apologize...

Deduction: ww agrees that this isn't a big deal.

I should become a detective. B) 

Or I'll get my tits out. 

No, not that; anything but that! D: We'll be good, we'll be good! 

vore tits or gtfo 

lamest beef ever 

Quake Crapawards 2018

Nominees:
(in no particular order, yet....)

1. Spirit for being a humourless prick with a stick up his arse

2. OTP for beefing everyone and everything.

3. Dumptruck DS for being an anti-free-speech scene-splitting fascist

4. Shambler for being a foul -mouthed child

5. LavaCroft for drama-leaving #tf

6. Killes for reappearing full stop

7. Negke for watching every single one of my mapping streams but not joining #tf

8. Metlslime for refusing to upgrade func_ to any form of useful functionality

9. Tddaz for playing Dusk, abandoning customgamer, and giving #tf into the hands of a moron

10. [The ever popular people's nomination - submit below]


So please post your top 3 votes, including your personal nomination if suitable below. Then in a couple of weeks time we can celebrate that although 90% of people here are utter twats, some are bigger, flappier twats than others :) 

For lowering the barrier to entry too much and letting us have a scale tool

Then #2 and some more #2




:----) 

dusk wouldnt be that bad if it had a solid visual style. the map structures are actually good. 

for leaving the Quake scene. 

SleepwalkR for allowing sub-integer grid sizes and thus allowing me to make appalling and disgusting botch jobs. 

If they're not even in the community anymore?

Anyhow I vote 2, 4, and ionous for 10, not that I have any beef with him, but I think he'd find receiving a Quake Crapaward funny. 

 

 

For not finishing ter shibboleth and getting frustrated with it.

And then I nominate myself for thinking everyone has to enjoy my work and any criticism is a personal attack against me. 

 

I was actually wondering when the moronic "community split" debuckle would spill over to func, since there's some air to be cleared in this regard, and boy oh boy does it happen to be in the beef thread no less.

If you move back to earlier this year, you probably won't even remember this wholly unremarkable former #terrafusion poster, whose entire claim to fame have been two middling maps and reactionary alt-right responses to anything criticising the sentient fatberg at 1600 Penn Ave. You won't remember because they haven't actually been there in many months - after trying to "embed myself in the func/tf community" they realised that they "just don't fit in there". Of course this has nothing to do with being called out on being a stupid trump cocksucker.

Those quotes actually come from the Trenchbroom discord server, where this refugee from #tf sought asylum. It didn't take long for them to try to "embed" themselves in that place either, with pretty hilarious results, such as telling people to google it when they asked for easily available links, or calling first-time-mappers' WIP editor shots ugly. A great way to keep people interested in mapping for Quake if I ever saw one.

So about a month or so in, this ex-terrafuser has firmly "embedded" themselves in the TB server, and has apparently brought a lot of friends with them, a fact that has not gone unnoticed at #tf, with others remarking how the average age seems to have apparently dropped to 13. (A number vastly inflated by Dumptruck's mere presence.) All the while, our nameless Byronic Hero laments the fact that despite their herculean efforts, the nasty skanks at #tf rejected their courtship and advances. Soon they're even joined by another dropout with an attitude.

This merry paradise continues until early July, which is when the Trenchbroom discord gets "raided" by somebody our ex-terrafuser seems to know personally. Apparently this is how Generation Z likes to spend their summer, so maybe the end of our world is actually warranted. After this terrible and earth shattering event, wherein dozens of people received a tiny notification in their browser tabs, this person and their new partner in crime seem to actively pursue moderator privileges on #trenchbroom - which, incidentally, were previously denied to another poster, since SleepwalkR said there's no need to moderate the channel - due to the virtue of "being around a lot".

Now imagine we live in an alternate universe where that happened. This friendly guy was already treating themselves as some sort of authority on #trenchbroom, despite their limited-at-best experience. Assume they were trusted with actual moderator powers (which imply not only control, but also a degree of trust and community "status", Killes I am putting that word in quotes specifically for you, HTH) there, while still talking nonsense about "the quakedads" on func and tf.

Is that not the instant recipe for a community split between #trenchbroom and func?? It definitely was to me. This was potentially a real problem, because dumptruck's mapping tutorials were rapidly gaining popularity, and each and every one of them featured a link to the trenchbroom discord, which became debased with time.

So that same day, I pitched the idea of hosting a new server to dumptruck, as a kind of "neutral zone" between #tf and #trenchbroom. He agreed that a more reasonable discussion server should exist, and almost 6 months later, here we are! 367 members, making it the largest Quake mapping oriented discord in existence. And practically everybody is happy with it, save for 2 or 3 tf regulars who break out in cold sweat when seeing the server rules such as "Be kind and respectful to others" and "Act in a professional manner".

And our self-exiled jizzstain? I actually joined #trenchbroom a couple weeks later and started hanging out, the mere notion on which caused them to shrivel up like a cock in the cold and disappear. "otp claims another victim", yells out a func poster who prefers to stay anonymous! ":grin: yeah dude is cucked af. lmao", cries out another!

Hope you enjoyed the story of how the Quake Mapping Discord not only didn't cause a community split, but actually prevented one!