I am an fps fan. I will be playing fps's on PC's for years to come.
....
and
I played Gears of War (1) on my xbox, heh - Quake4 (360), Doom3 (xbox), COD4 (yippee - split screen deathmatch!), Halo/2/3 (also yippee!), er Bioshock, Orange Box...

if even an avid PC fps fan like you prefers to play multiplatform games on aconsole its already over :) 

"Millions of people play FIFA and have mums and girlfreinds who dont know what to get them so they get them the game which had the add with the cool music on the telly. "
Unlikely. Fifa sells millions of copies because people want it. Same with Madden. Same with shooters.

"Im bias, you're bias, everybody is bias. It's not safe to talk about hardware on this thread, there be too many people with big bonusses on their minds, who are gonna start trying to flog consoles.

People suck. Money sucks. Gimme ART! Gimme what >I< fucking want! "

Wait until you're 30. 

..just how widespread is this?

i seem to remember you could use a keyboard & mouse on the ps2 via USB, although i never tried it & apparently it only worked on some games. i'd be more inclined to get into consoles & purchase a cordless mouse/keyboard if the majority of games supported them.

i guess it would pretty much null the analog-stick vs mouse argument to. i personally can't stand using the analog for aiming, to the extent that i wouldn't even bother trying to get used to it 

Fifa sells millions of copies because people want it.

No. http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=21824&start=314&end=314

e.g. i don't know anyone who bought a soccer/sports game. And germany must be a pretty big market. 

Come on, you're destroying your credibility here. You're telling me that sports titles sell millions and millions of units each year and nobody wants them? Is that your position? I want to be clear here. 

rj

Nobody wants a mouse and keyboard on their coffee table. Controllers are the way to do on consoles.

"i personally can't stand using the analog for aiming, to the extent that i wouldn't even bother trying to get used to it"

Well, that's a shame. You're missing a lot of great games. 

I dont mind playing a good game on a console with a controll pad. I remember playing Goldeneye on the N64 and getting my ass kicked. You quickly learn.

I'm just saying that I like to play on my PC more. I'd be sad if the PC shooter died out :-(

That's all I'm really saying here.

Willem you are a very self-assured person. Good for you! 

"Willem you are a very self-assured person. Good for you!"

Sorry if I come off a little strong. I just believe in what I'm saying and I can't stand by while people talk, in my opinion, nonsense like "nobody buys sports games" when they're selling millions of units every year. 

e.g. i don't know anyone who bought a soccer/sports game.

means one thing: you dont hangout with kiddies who like football and buy EA sports game. nothing else! 

are saying (well some of them are saying) that they like keyboards and mouses betterer.

It is a Quake forum afterall. You can make you're top selling console shooter (guaranteed hit) resting in the knowledge that us keyboard and mouse lovers are insignificant in your world.
You an the other hand will get to influence a game which millions will play and love! You've got it all coming.

Try not to rub our insignificant opinionated noses in it too much. Eat your cake!

You're the winner!

Im glad I played crysis on very high settings. It kicked butt! The gameplay was 80%, the graphic's were 100%. It was a teeny bit longer in play time than gears. Whoop de do.

:-P 

my point is: nobody i'd ask for his opinion on a game wants them.

Stop behaving like such a prententious asshole. thank you. 

EXACTLY. 

touchez :-P

As for FIFA etc, I think the point is that people will buy that stuff wheather it is good or not. That's why people churn out sports game after sports game after sports game. Because they know it will make money.

Often there is very little difference between one version and the next, sometimes just the shirts and player names are changed, or whatever...

People will pay top whack for them not because they are good games but because that's all these people want to do: - play FIFA and drink beer. 

or even creative. I don't respect it as art. 

I enjoy a debate! :-) 

I think the point is that people will buy that stuff wheather it is good or not.

EXACTLY MY POINT.

to spell it out for Willem: that's why i linked http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=21824&start=314&end=314 

but I mean nothing personal to any of you guys!

sorry if I upset anyone... 

megaman

"Stop behaving like such a prententious asshole. thank you."

Stop talking nonsense. You and your friends don't constitute the games market so stop acting like it.

This is from the post you've linked twice now:

"latter probably sell, because there's a) kids b) casual gamers c) parents buying them judging from the ads, the brand and the packaging. Oh, and word-by-mouth(?). "

Your opinion of gamers outside of your sewing circle is insulting at best.

Anyway, this is going in circles so all I'll say is watch out for that meteor guys. It's going to get real cold for you soon. 

your way of making everything personal isn't helping the discussion. 

and one extra post for czg. 

go map! 

Nobody wants a mouse and keyboard on their coffee table. Controllers are the way to do on consoles.

nobody isn't my name. 

"nobody isn't my name."

Good point. Another good point is that you are in the extreme minority. 

with a smaller keypad device for my left hand

People might say im crazy. Imagine if I'm still making quake maps in nine years time, under the visor of RickyT33 or somthing...

Then we'll all be crazy! 

Console games are easier to use.

press button, put in the silver thing, close hatch. Press play. Admittedly, it's not obvious which side of the disc is up, so that could be improved.

My dad plays console games. He doesn't play PC games anymore. There were too many problems with getting some of them to run.

He likes those tank and helicopter games, but has problems memorizing like 30 keys for all the little actions. A console controller has much fewer buttons. Granted the games have fewer options, too.

It's sad, but it's probably attributable to a general loss of skill, interest, attention span, and willingness to learn. Plus stress and lack of time. On the other hand, I can understand how a console game is more accessible and thus more fun (for a short while, admittedly.) And that's not bad.

It's like that with a lot of things. Many people prefer fast food over real food, even if real food is theoretically better and cooking is not only fun but also a basic human skill (we're losing it though.)

When people build a carport, they buy a kit instead of building it from scratch. They lost the skills to make proper joints and connections of wooden parts. Instead, the kit is assembled using pre-drilled metal connectors and nails.

With PCs, most older people never really learned how they work. They learned Windows, and MS Office, and Outlook. They didn't learn "PC". Among younger people, there was a time when it was cool or interesting to learn about PCs and networks. It was useful to impress girls by making their PCs work. It was necessary to play Doom multiplayer. But that time has passed. Most teenagers today are totally uncritical and expect things working out of the box, and things you can buy with money. Money = problem solver. Knowledge = tedious and time wasting.

PCs are too complicated for the majority of people. My parents can't get a cable LAN running, don't know the difference between a telephone and network cable, and need a tech support guy to set up their DSL connection. They watch TV (several hours per day), do some gardening (same), shopping or talking on the phone instead of investing time into learning how computer things work. My dad has never heard of DirectX and OpenGL. He just wants to play a car racing game now and again, so he bought a gamecube. And suddenly, Larry the cow was in control (like the Gentoo slogan goes.) I do love my parents, make no mistake, but they are pretty typical computer users.

He has a strategy/tank game (Battalion Wars) for gamecube, but almost never plays it because it has dozens of different units and slightly complicated key combos. Also the missions get pretty hard pretty soon.

I like that game, but I'm not normal. My dad likes watching me play it. Same with the car racing (NFS). My family thinks I have unreal gaming skills, but I didn't even beat those games yet. I never saw the helicopters in NFS :-/ and I lost interest in those games quickly, mainly because I couldn't edit them.

I remember playing Tony Hawk 2 long after I beat it, because I always built new skate parks and tested them.

Personally I think it's not good if companies own online platforms and distribution channels. It gives me a creepy feeling. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but I don't use battle.net or Steam. I prefer a game in a box that I can stash on my shelf. I also prefer a server run by the community in the Internet. I mistrust companies. I don't buy online much, but I use torrents occasionally (for legal things, gosh.) But I'm not normal.

I don't have a TV. Did I say I'm not normal?