Tho bsp2 maps won't be refused any way 

Love the anniversary idea since major contributions do alter the trajectory/evolution of later stuff. We do have some historical distance to Contract Revoked now, and it's been very influential. If it's over-used it's because it's inspired a lot of mappers with a theme that draws on Quake's original ideas very effectively. I think that also creates the challenge for new contributors to do something new with the theme and that is always interesting. Some of the most creative stuff comes out of attempts to avoid being boxed in so to speak. 

What did you expect whining about the theme when everyone else is more than happy with it? You're literally the only one complaining about it and you haven't even said whether you're entering or not. You not liking Knave's tropes won't prevent any of the participants from making a map for the jam.

Oh and I don't agree on the notion that it's overused. 

Don't complain, go map! 

I can never get tired of knave and runic maps.

Tronyn: would you take part in this map jam? 

Tho bsp2 maps won't be refused any way

Not interested in using BSP2 but if we are bound to sticking with Protocol 666 (which allow mostly bigger limits) then why are we trying to stick to the original BSP? Honest question to try and understand the reasoning and tech side of this.

The Knave theme will be new to me. I have never played Quoth or the maps mentioned. I do recall a couple of Daz's YouTube playthroughs featured it as did AD. So it's new to me! ;) 

Since this requires Quoth (obviously) how will this be distributed? Most jams have their own game directory (again, obviously!) But how will this work? Will this be pak'd underneath the end user's Quoth directory or will Quoth assets etc be included in the jam distro? I want to make sure and do this right as I have only ever mapped for id1 and mission packs. (and RetroJam 6) The ability to add customs music and custom sounds is a big reason why I will be partaking in this jam. 

As its own game directory, to be ran with the

(engine.exe) -quoth -game jam9

params. 

Some of the most creative stuff comes out of attempts to avoid being boxed in so to speak.
I couldn't agree more, which is why I was advocating for some architectural originality.

I can never get tired of knave and runic maps.
I did love knave at first, but just like a cool song that you hear everyday for months, there always comes a time when it gets tiresome. I've played a lot of knave maps but rarely saw this set being used in a really creative manner. You can't deny that it's often used on very similar architectural shapes.

@skacky: Whining? Bwahahahahahaha! Did you miss the a new jam is still cool news bit? And if "whining" bothers you that much, you must really hate yourself: you just whined about whining... ;) 

I hate myself so much that I felt some beautiful bliss when I saw that you weren't replying to every single thread anymore. You've been back for a day and you're already behaving like an asshole. You're basically the guy that yells "STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE, I WANT IT MY WAY!" at people who happen to enjoy something the way it is.

If Mugwump the Great is so tired of Knave lacking creativity and being used the way it is, why doesn't he enter the jam so he can school everyone, because obviously everyone who ever used Knave lacks creativity. I usually never use that 'argument' but in this case I think it's warranted. I wouldn't say that to Shambler for instance because Shambler, while he doesn't and won't map, at least says something of substance. 

I felt some beautiful bliss when I saw that you weren't replying to every single thread anymore.

I awoke with a tremendous feeling of optimism and confidence in you and your future. That was my vision of you. I'm so glad to have had this opportunity to share it with you. I wish you nothing but the very best in all things. 

Amen. 

Well, this thread seems to be going in the wrong direction already. 

Yeah, whatever suits your delusion. Can't stop the douches from pouring, can I? Funny how this kind of holier-than-thou characters are always the ones resorting to insults while I'm keeping it civil. Sure, I am the asshole... Thanks for the laugh, buddy. Peace out. 

Which is more punk, Knave-Anti-Revolutionary-Knave or Knave-Anti-Conservative-Knave?

I actually really want to see "New Knave" whatever that means. Knave has been done it's true, very well done. But something still lurks beyond it... 

http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61104 

You think you're keeping it civil but I don't think you realize how insanely insufferable you are. I am not the only one thinking that either.

I'm not a holier-than-thou type but I do take issue with narcissists like you who barge into a project with demands without actually doing anything about it themselves. You think Knave maps lack creativity? That's fine. You were being a killjoy, but that's fine. I've asked you twice already if you were entering the jam and you did not answer. I'm taking this as a no. Let people do their thing and piss off if you don't do anything yourself. Nobody cares whether you think Knave is stale or not and I can guarantee you nobody here will lose sleep over that. 

-.-

its a tribute jam

why do it with anything besides Quoth and knave.wad other than to please Mugwump?

Its like going to McDonalds and being upset they served you a frozen burger.

"I do declare these burgers would me much more delectable if they were fresh ground beef prepared medium well with perhaps some bleu cheese crumbles?" *curls mustache*

with that out of the way, Ill be entering this jam. 4 weeks should be more than enough time for me to whip something up with my busy schedule. 

Oh yeah, right, silly me! I forgot that some interwebz dwellers can't suffer any opinion that doesn’t 100% fit their own narrow view. "Insanely insufferable"? Puh-lease... I can't help it if you take a passing comment the wrong way! And even if I could, I wouldn't: I'm not here to cater to any random self-righteous internet diva. Get over yourself and stop blaming others for your own shortcomings. Talk about narcissist... the irony is staggering! Also, please point me to where exactly I made an actual demand - good luck with that!

You haven't actually asked me if I was joining in (for comprehension purposes, I suggest you read your own comments again), but considering my first comeback comment in the GA thread, the answer to this non-question is quite obvious.

Now, can you please leave it alone and stop polluting the thread with this stupidly nonsensical flame war? 

Look, we get it. You don't like knave. Would you kindly stop posting for a while and stop this thread from going further off the tracks? 

I didn't start anything! I only made an inoffensive comment and then got bashed for it for no valid reason. After that I only defended myself. I'm not the aggressor here, don't pick the wrong target. May I point that I did want to end this 3 posts ago? The "peace out" bit. But I'll never be one to bow to attackers, so if they keep at it I keep defending myself. You want it to stop, ask the perpetrator. 

 

...but if we are bound to sticking with engines using Protocol 666 (which allow mostly bigger limits anyway) then why are we trying to stick to the original BSP? Honest question to try and understand the reasoning and more of the tech side of this.  

Extended limits let you do a lot of brushwork anyway, so there is no point of using BSP2, until you reach the first limit. 

Do you even hear yourself? The reason people around here don't like you much is because you're a passive-aggressive jerk and with your year-old account and your 1,000+ posts (most of them about yourself in some capacity, hence the narcissist bit) you have contributed nothing of value so far for the community and are actively creating dissent whether you realize it or not. You've been told repeatedly by various people that you're attitude is frankly bothersome. I've been quiet but I've honestly had enough. You reappear and the first thing you do is complain about a lack of 2017 releases since Retro Jam 6 and then whine about this jam's theme. So please, please excuse me if I take your unwanted bitching about the theme the wrong way, especially since you evidently aren't even planning on doing anything for this jam in the first place. Sure, I didn't ask your directly whether you were entering. I did ask you indirectly though.

You should maybe think once or twice before you post something in the future, actually contribute something valuable or change your attitude altogether. That first post of yours was uncalled for. You have the right to have an opinion; everyone does, but we certainly didn't need to hear it.

What do you think this is? This is a tribute jam. The maps in this jam are going to be similar to what Kell did. There is nothing wrong with that and people are excited for this for the simple reason that Contract Revoked is a milestone and to this day remains one of the finest Quake releases, no matter how stale you think it has become (it hasn't). Please do enter and show us what you can do with Knave and I bet people will love it if you manage to pull something unseen off. I'm being 100% sincere here.

Anyway, off to bed.