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I thought a trio of themed threads about other entertainment media might be good. If you're not interested, please just ignore the thread and pick some threads that interest you from here: http://celephais.net/board/view_all_threads.php

Anyway, discuss films...
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I Havent Seen 2 And 3 
but will rectify that when I get the upcoming blu ray release.

And hey, I liked Indy 4 :) Way better than Indy 2. 
No Way 
Indy 2 was >>>>> Indy 4. Indy is just aboot even with Indies 1 and 3. 
Let Me In 
I absolutely loved this movie. 
 
And hey, I liked Indy 4 :) Way better than Indy 2.

i'm glad i'm not the only one who thinks that. i wouldn't put any of them in my all time favourites but they're good fun classic adventure movies and 4 was no different; it just went a bit x-files at the end, which didn't sit well with most (i thought it was incorporated pretty well)


this weekend i have seen:

the book of eli - this was interesting, i liked the exploration of different attitudes to religion. pretty slow but with some decent action scenes; the twist was maybe a bit far-fetched but ultimately kind of touching

toy story 3 - this is just awesome, best of the 3. if it doesn't make you a little bit emotional then you have no soul 
Hahah 
Have you seen the South Park with Lucas and Spielberg raping Indiana Jones?

It was a shite film. Sorry. 
I Feel Like There's 
a story hole in back to the future 2, when oldBiff goes back in time to give the almanac to youngBiff- he makes it back to his regular time(2015)no problem. Yet when the Doc and Marty go back to 1985 they go to the alternate 1985 where Biff is like the lord of the earth. so my question is how did oldBiff get to his normal 2015 and not an alternate one?

I've got a few ideas maybe but when I think of them more they don't really make sense and I dont want this to be a full page essay-post.

fuk I should have just recognized these movies as awesome and left it at that but noooo, I had to give it thought... 
 
Yeah it felt Indiana Jonesy, and I will admit I didn't mind the alien being(s) as weird, at least it's a bit more believable than the Ark of the Covenant, three Indian god stones, or that cup or whatever.

The problem for me was that it jumped the shark a bit much in the action department and I didn't see the need to add Shia Labeouf, who I'm not a fan of but he didn't do a terrible job in the movie.

Yeah the fridge part was stupid, and so was swinging from the trees, which apparently Lucas and co realize was stupid and Indy 5 should be a ton better. So here's hoping Indy 5 completes the quadrilogy! 
Metch 
I know I was thinking the same thing while watching it. There's actually a ton of plot holes and stuff, but that's okay. I tried not to think too much about it, but I ended up coming up with an interwoven timeline theory where certain timelines only exist with the help of time travelers creating paradoxes in the past, but can still loop back into its 'twin' timeline to create the 'real' future. I have no idea how that actually works, but its my best guess. 
Old Skool. 
Had a pre-halloween treat of rewatching The Thing after many years. Very dated but still very good. Forgotten that it had a decent vibe as well as quality gore. Great ending too. 
Metch 
yeah, pretty much. oldbiff should have returned to the alternate future so he'd be rich (which was the whole point of him going after all... he must have been pissed when he got out of the car and noticed nothing had changed. -_-)

unless we're meant to understand that the future DID change around doc/marty but that the changes didn't affect the area they were in, which doesn't really make sense since marty's parents are completely changed in the alternate timeline.

otoh, doc/marty are kind of already out of the house by the time oldbiff lands... soooo maybe we're supposed to believe they *just* missed his old parents poofing.

yeah... -_- these are movies you gotta just accept because they break down when you analyze them too heavily.

it's like avatar->floating islands with water pouring out of them. :PPP 
What About The Terminator?@ 
Anyone watch the series? It looked like season 3 was gonna be extremely complicated. Shame they didn't finish it. But even the first movie is full of holes. Just the idea of John Connor sending Kyle Reese back to rescue his mother, but How could there have been a future John Connor if he has to send his own father back in time to conceive him. How can he possibly be in a position to do that if he never existed? 
Hello Long Haul Air Travel! 
The Last Airbender

Not very good.

2001: A Space Odyssey

I fell asleep in the slow (relative term here) bits. Still, to see this in the cinema in 1968 must have been quite something.

The A Team

I think I remember a review of this movie saying that it had no reason to exist at all. Well, they were wrong: it took away the pain of the last 2 hours of a 12 hour flight quite nicely. I wouldn't go so far as to say that it was good, but it was what I was looking for at the time. 
Most Time Travel Movies 
have faulty logic (Ricky's already mentioned the massive hole in T1). 12 Monkeys is the one of the few that work from memory.

Also Primer, although you need to read the wiki entry to actually follow the bloody thing.

There's prbably others but I cant think of them right now. 
As For Indy 2 
after the Hong Kong opening, it was all downhill.

1 and 3 are great films. 4 is decent IMHO. 
I Never Watched Avatar 
but I saw the Matrix and knew the Pocahontas story sense I was like 3 so I figured I didn't have to... 
 
I thought terminator 1 actually made sense, it's only the logic of the characters that is faulty.

Skynet and John Connor both send people back in time; Skynet attempts to change the past (though it cannot.) John either believes Kyle Reece is necessary to prevent changing the past (by saving Sarah) or he knows the past can't be changed and he knows sending Kyle is neccessary to fulfill the past. (By getting her pregnant.)

In either case, Kyle and the Terminator merely play out the existing story of the past, doing their parts to ensure that the future happens as it must.

However, Terminator 2 screws it all up. 
Sorry Yeah 
T1 + T2 dont make sense.

The T1 hole that Ricky mentions specifically does have an answer, ie someone else could have got Sarah pregnant if it was not Kyle Reese.

And becasue of the above, I always took it to be the first (John sending back to prevent a change in the past by saving Sarah). 
Naah 
It doesn't make sense.

You see if John Connor (the original future John Connor) sends Kyle Reese back though time and then Kyle Reese impregnates Sarah Connor, it would change half of J.C's genetic code. So then it's a different future John Connor who would have to send Kyle Reese back in time again. And there we have the problem - there are TWO instances of Kyle Reese being sent back in time, but only one instance of him arriving.

You see if thee original J.C. didn't know that Kyle was his father, and the second time he did, then there has to be two instances of Kyle Reese being sent back in time. And because there is only one instance of Kyle arriving, to me anyway, that is impossible. 
Excellent Movie Though 
One of my all time favourites. I will watch it again and again and again.... 
 
what makes you think Kyle Reese isn't John Connor's father in the first place? 
Kyle Reese 
could not be JC's father though. The time loop has to start somewhere or JC to send him back.

As for Ricky's post, once KR impregantes SC, there is a new alternate future created (assuming the future can be altered, which it cannot according to later movies). In that new future, if JC still needed to send someone back, it could be someone other than KR. 
 
I don't think the time loop has to start somewhere. I find the idea of a causal loop just as plausible (or more plausible) than multiple timelines. 
Need Title 
Isn't the whole point of the movie that John Connor specifically sends Kyle Reese because John knows who the father is?

T1's hole comes from viewers overcomplicating time travel. 
Vigil 
maybe in T1 but the rest of them dont seem to fit that.

metl, yeah fair point, it works on the causal loop interpretation. I just dont like that theory on TT :) 
 
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