u already did so much for this small comunity Kell :) THKS! i think everybody is making there maps for Quoth! i�m already adding monsters :) but since 2 new one will apear i will replace then easaly in map! i like to map and add monster�s at same time! but after i finish all layout. 

but after i finish all layout i will fix all the rooms to detail as more as possible!

sorry pressed enter before finish my sentence in last post :\ 

I love you all. Seriously. The Quake community still rocks.

*sniff*

Anyway, back on topic. I was wondering if there was a possibility of enhanced func_trains. Basically, I was thinking of a trigger_relay style trigger entity that can set the destination of a func_train so that you can have them start and stop and move to different floors. I've no idea how difficult this would be to implement, but it sounds fairly trivial.

Also, Kell, how do you make your monsters? Are you using QMe entirely? I've seen preaches GMax tutorial, but really I want to be able to whip stuff up in Maya 6/6.5 or Max 7 and export it to Quake, but understandably there don't seem to be any exporters. I'm in awe that you created such fantastic models in QMe but do you know of any way of doing what I want so that I can contribute something for possible inclusion? (else I'll just make a separate monster and release it with a new version of dm3rmx or apsp1).

BTW, Kell, if you can give us a few more details about how the new enemies are planned to work etc. then we could plan out our use of them and just slot them in fairly easily when the time comes (I would hope!) 

Ok, so the lightning gun and plasma rifle are both f**king powerful weapons. Enforcers are great base monsters and we are all probably going to have a lot in our maps.

I'll cut to the chase. Does anyone else think that the number of cells in enforcer backpacks should be reduced to 2 or 3 instead of 5 to avoid the problems with cell abundancy that dm3rmx suffered from (even though there were no cell ammo boxes)? Maybe it's ok, but with a tanked up lg or (to a lesser extent because it fires projectiles) plasma gun, there is a lot less panic and fear in any fight because those weapons are so powerful.

Any comments. Kell? 

They're pretty much vital to my map design, so thankyou. Will they be similar to the sort I've seen in other mods? I.E. A wall of coloured particles. If so I assume they'll be implemented in a similar fashion? 

I was thinking the trigger's target would always be the name of the func_train you wanted to affect, and it would have another key set to the targetname of the destination path_corner you wanted to send the train to. Give it a delay key too, so you needn't also use a relay to set delay, and it's all good :)

The func_train would obviously need to be modified to handle this stuff, but would otherwise behave exactly the same as before if the mapper wasn't using this trigger.

Additionally, it would be nice if path corners could set the speed of the train OR if the trigger could set the speed. Also, changing the sound the train uses with the trigger would be a cool effect. It would certainly open the doors to all kinds of crazy elevator mechanics etc.

target cycling triggers would also be AWESOME. One trigger fires target1, the second trigger fires target2, the third target3 etc. Upon reaching a specified number the trigger could reset to the first target or stop firing its targets.

Dunno why I didn't think of these things earlier. They seem simple to put in, and would have a lot of possible uses, but I don't know how simple they really would be.

Also, this is a bit off topic, since it would be nice for my non-base Quoth map... any chance of a lavaball and/or cthon fireball (for massive damage) shooter type?

I'm just greedy, aren't I? Sorry :( 

Perhaps a possible fix to the abundance of cells which power nasty weapons is to give the player a low level weapon that consumes cells early in the map, and make sure they need to use it if they don't want ammo to end up too tight. The best example I can think of is giving the player a copy of the regular enforcer blaster, that takes one cell to fire two laser bolts. This does the same damage per cell as the lightning gun, but at a much reduced rate and not hitscan, so it's basically a shotgun/nailgun level weapon.

To than, I'd suggest you grab a copy of this MD3 export plugin.
http://pages.videotron.com/browser/Downloads/3d_max/plugins/Max6ExportMD3.zip
It says max6, and I've got no way of testing this, but I believe that it should also work in max 7. With this you can use the same pipeline as the tutorials I posted, export the finished Md3 from Max, and convert it to mdl with Quark. I really recommend this route as Quark is the only tool I know that does proper UV maps for mdl format. It might be possible to do the same for maya if there's an md3 exporter for it. 

Kell is the ultimate arbitrator of what goes into the QuakeC and what doesn't fit the Quoth design, but I thought I would mention we have talked about the addtion of some of the entity types from Peroxide's Extras mod and among the new functions train ones similar to the what you have elaborated.

Thnks for da Luv. 

'are' as in 'among the new functions are train ones . . .' 

you have mail 

offtopic. but check your mail. there should be a mail I send you a long long time ago. 

Just a quick note to say that I got a little mapping done at the weekend, though not as much as I had hoped. I still made some good progress and am well on target for the current planned release date of Christmas.

How is everyone else getting on? 

of code done this weekend though my eyes are shot
right now. You would probably not believe what is necessary to get it up to functioning but I am optimistic. Also, feel free to email me with any suggestions.

As for mapping I've got a good layout planned, and if the code is in good shape by the beginning of November, I will contribute a map, but other wise I'll just concentrate on this end. 

mine is going pretty wel but after i finish my map i will fix the first part again :\ need many fixes and details! but will be ready on time for sure... 

I'm not sure to be ready on time... sorry but between my job and my family, I have problems to find time for mapping these last days... So don't expect on me for Xmas... At least, if I'm ready, it will be a good surprise... sorry... 

Got pics of the latest finished section here: http://biff.leveldesign.org/index.php/?p=54 Thinking I'll have it ready on time, but not that far into it as it is. 

JPL dont wory... :) family is always first!!! if u and anyother can�t get it on time we wait a litle longer, if is only u i think we could release the pack and add your later! thats my opinion i dont now i think we all must agree! 

Thanks, but I think you have to respect the deadline... otherwize you would have to wait till next year ;P 

i think will be Kell to get togueter all maps!!! at least i hope... he got much more expirience then me and write much better english... :) 

hey guys... :P

i feel i should explain why i have been completly absent from this thread, even though i've posted sporadically in others...

basically, i was gone for a while during the summer, and when i got back, this thread already had like 100~ unread posts so i just avoided it...
i didn't know the thread took a turn into quoth territory, and only got an email kell sent ages ago yesterday.

so yeah, anyway, kell and i got together and chatted a bit, and stuff got done with more to follow and all that jazz... :P

i should be able to do whatever animations for edie are needed and what not.

i dunno if i'll actually map for this or not... although i do have a base map that's about 70% done structurally. we'll see i suppose.

oh, and btw, there are some damn sweet map shots posted in here!
also, that work with the fluids simulating glass is fantastic, and rather clever, than :) n1 ^_^ 

glad u enter the ship necros with map or no map your presence is always good ;) 

No jumping puzzles, though -- okay? ;D 

Being mapping a bit here and there, and have got a little more done. Mostly I have just been tweaking stuff and putting the early gameflow in so that I can check if it feels right and that the areas I have built are getting enough use.

I had a couple of shots, but they are badly compressed and I forgot to resize them down from 1920x1200, so I will post them tomorrow or something.

It's worth mentioning that I had a few problems with water and glass, but I found that you can often get around problems by changing the way the glass is built. I can't really be bothered to explain it, but if you change the brushes the glass is composed of, sometimes qbsp splits things in a different way and you get rid of HOMs and all that kind of crap. 

Please explain !!! 

some crapy shots from a noob :\ some areas will be rebuild! so are not final shots!

http://trinca.planetaclix.pt/joequake001.jpg
http://trinca.planetaclix.pt/joequake006.jpg
http://trinca.planetaclix.pt/joequake003.jpg
http://trinca.planetaclix.pt/joequake013.jpg
http://trinca.planetaclix.pt/joequake017.jpg