FifthElephant
#294 posted by slapmap on 2013/04/26 14:32:21
I had leaks and collision "holes" on my grid-aligned terrain as well, it often happens with complex non-axial geometry like terrain, because qbsp creates many usless splits everywhere from adjacent planes. Sometimes its just random and you can move geometry around and it becomes better (or worse).
Turn on r_showtris and marvel at the mess of q1bsp.
Is it even possible to make compilers stop splitting everything with everything and keep the original editor geometry, like q3map does, but still maintain q1bsp format compatibility? Why even brush_ents have splits inside an entity. Its already bad enough that splits are every 255 units just for compatibility with 90s software render. Ridiculously inefficient.
Slap
To be honest in that speedmap I had messed around with a few settings in the hope that I wouldn't have to change my method of making terrain (which is somewhat similar to floor lofter method in UT)... it was pure laziness on my part.
Regards to the earlier invisible leaks it was some other bug in a different map (non-terrain).
I do want to make more interesting terrain but it looks like I'll have to make compromises if it's for Quake 1. Even making non-collision geometry and trying to make my own clipping using clip brushes seems to bring its own problems.
Even worse is that Q3 is probably a good game to make maps for in terms of stability and compatibility but it's a multiplayer game, who cares about that? It's good if you want to make a portfolio of work, but if you want to make a fun map to play then you'd get a bigger audience mapping for Doom 1 or 2.
Tyrann
#296 posted by necros on 2013/04/26 15:11:37
would it be possible to add in a mode where sunlight is replaced with an array of suns shining at different angles in a sphere? would be a nicer, more consistent (and easier) way of doing fake GI.
the sun array needs to be additive, but the values would need to add up to the final value specified as the sun level, so you'd probably need to make the individual suns in the array emit at maybe 1 or 2 brightness, which means you'd need floating point light values up until you right the results into the map file, at which point it would be safe to round them off.
#297 posted by Tyrann on 2013/04/27 01:45:48
@necros: Sure it's possible, but not sure how good it would look for a whole lot more ray traces per surface point. Will put it on the TODO list as something to try out though.
It Looks Like This
#298 posted by necros on 2013/04/27 02:58:50
Fake GI
#299 posted by metlslime on 2013/04/27 03:03:29
I had modded light.exe to do this a long time ago, and it does look good. You need a lot of suns for best results, though.
FYI, the mod was really easy -- BJP's "skyambient" already exists and uses a multiple sun method, but gives really flat results, and all you need to do is remove the clamping and make the suns much dimmer (and more numerous) and you'll get something that looks like GI.
#300 posted by necros on 2013/04/27 03:52:15
yeah, that's what i did for the above shots. i was hoping for some better integration from someone who knew what they were doing. :)
my version has a severe limitation because light levels are integer values but because of the number of suns, the actual light levels that those suns emit needs to be very low so you would need fractional values for all these low level suns. the end result would still be well over 1.0 so you'd just round the final result (after all the suns have been done, since they are done first) and then you would just light normally with the rest of the point lights.
#301 posted by JneeraZ on 2013/04/27 11:38:45
With a multithreaded light util the extra traces shouldn't matter. Light is never the bottleneck in map iteration anyway! Those tests look great, necros!
Don't...
ever apply clip textures to a func_detail... I just spent about 30 minutes tearing my hair out because of errors.
Clip W/func_detail
#303 posted by quaketree on 2013/04/28 19:13:40
Use a Skip texture instead. That gives you an invisible (solid) brush that will cast shadows.
Reminder
#304 posted by Preach on 2013/04/28 19:35:21
Remember that projectiles collide with skip brushes but not clip brushes, in case that matters to you. But yeah, if it's not possible to create a clip detail (which isn't a very sensible combination when you think about it) a warning from the compiler might be best.
Guiz Guiz....
I was being lazy when I was making the clip brush that's all... I have no idea what a clip detail brush would accomplish. :P
A Skip Textured Detail Brush
#306 posted by quaketree on 2013/04/28 21:18:31
Can be used to make a shadow where there is no structure (perhaps as a hint to a secret area?) without having to mess with recessed areas behind a sky texture (as seen in e1m5 where there's a Quake symbol shadow leading to the Quad secret) and then using func_illusion to make a false sky. Seeing as the detail brushes will get merged into the bsp as brushes and not as an entity it helps to keep the entity count down as you don't need to have the func_illusion brush.
The tricky part would be putting it where it won't be noticed by the player because it will of course act like a wall in all respects (with the exception that it won't be drawn on the screen). So it would have to be high enough to not block the players movements and not block a monsters attack in normal circumstances.
Func_illusionary
#307 posted by mechtech on 2013/04/28 22:14:39
You can use a func_illusionary with _shadow set to 1 and skip texture to make invisible shadow casting brushes without collision.
I Totally Did Not Know That
#308 posted by RickyT33 on 2013/04/29 11:52:09
Really?
How About...
an invisible collision brush that doesn't cast a shadow?
Clip Texture
#310 posted by ijed on 2013/04/29 17:31:29
Didn't know that about func_illusionary either.
-onlyents Bug?
#311 posted by than on 2013/05/02 16:31:30
When you compile with onlyents, switable light styles seem to get broken. I remember this being a problem in older tools that aguirre fixed in his tools. Maybe you could check that one out, Tyrann?
Than:
#312 posted by metlslime on 2013/05/02 22:33:28
you need to run light -onlyents after running qbsp -onlyents. This is true for the original tools as well, Ii think.
#313 posted by Tyrann on 2013/05/03 00:36:56
I don't remember there being a -onlyents option on the original light. That might be what aguirre added as a fix. I'll take a look.
Metl
#314 posted by than on 2013/05/03 06:15:49
-onlyents on light is only supported in aguirre's tools afaik, though for all I know, it maybe have been supported in the original tools. I always used tyrlight before switching over to aguirre's tools though (except for the time I used the WC1.6 compile dialogue... yuck!)
Than:
#315 posted by metlslime on 2013/05/03 07:32:42
you might be right. I have been using aguirre's tools for a long time now, can't remember what the original tools did and didn't do.
#316 posted by necros on 2013/05/03 18:52:21
yes, that's correct about onlyents on light. it was added to address the problem where doing onlyents with qbsp would break switchable lights.
Not Working For Me
#317 posted by Qmaster on 2013/05/07 19:16:44
qbsp:
...
Opened WAD: \program files (x86)\worldcraft\textures\tech1.hlwad
*** WARNING 15: \program files (x86)\worldcraft\textures\tech1.hlwad isn't a wadfile
*** WARNING 01: No valid WAD filenames in worldmodel
And seriously???:
*** WARNING 06: No info_player_deathmatch entities in level
vis:
Seems okay. I love the resume feature.
light:
I'm getting a TestLineOrSky: tstack overflow
Bengt's light 1.43 gives me everything fine. Here's my light info:
454 entities read, 333 are lights, 40209 faces, 500M casts
Unless I'm missing some compile parameter, then I'm going to be sticking with ol' Jardrups light. The vis is wonderful though, thanks Tyrann!
Qmaster
#318 posted by Tyrann on 2013/05/08 02:01:20
Not sure about the invalid wad file - can you email me a zipped copy?
Tstack is trivial to increase, will do that for the next release.
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