* Fit into the limits of the original BSP format

Certain r_speeds? 

Nice, I was starting to wonder how long we would have to wait until someone complained about the jam. Glad to see it didn't take long. 

 

https://quakewiki.org/wiki/Engine_Limits#BSP 

Cheers. Some of those headings are red on the Wiki. But I assume I can track this stuff in BSPinfo. 

Jeez... Will any comment ever not be turned into a complaint/controversy by you guys? 

Tho bsp2 maps won't be refused any way 

Love the anniversary idea since major contributions do alter the trajectory/evolution of later stuff. We do have some historical distance to Contract Revoked now, and it's been very influential. If it's over-used it's because it's inspired a lot of mappers with a theme that draws on Quake's original ideas very effectively. I think that also creates the challenge for new contributors to do something new with the theme and that is always interesting. Some of the most creative stuff comes out of attempts to avoid being boxed in so to speak. 

What did you expect whining about the theme when everyone else is more than happy with it? You're literally the only one complaining about it and you haven't even said whether you're entering or not. You not liking Knave's tropes won't prevent any of the participants from making a map for the jam.

Oh and I don't agree on the notion that it's overused. 

Don't complain, go map! 

I can never get tired of knave and runic maps.

Tronyn: would you take part in this map jam? 

Tho bsp2 maps won't be refused any way

Not interested in using BSP2 but if we are bound to sticking with Protocol 666 (which allow mostly bigger limits) then why are we trying to stick to the original BSP? Honest question to try and understand the reasoning and tech side of this.

The Knave theme will be new to me. I have never played Quoth or the maps mentioned. I do recall a couple of Daz's YouTube playthroughs featured it as did AD. So it's new to me! ;) 

Since this requires Quoth (obviously) how will this be distributed? Most jams have their own game directory (again, obviously!) But how will this work? Will this be pak'd underneath the end user's Quoth directory or will Quoth assets etc be included in the jam distro? I want to make sure and do this right as I have only ever mapped for id1 and mission packs. (and RetroJam 6) The ability to add customs music and custom sounds is a big reason why I will be partaking in this jam. 

As its own game directory, to be ran with the

(engine.exe) -quoth -game jam9

params. 

Some of the most creative stuff comes out of attempts to avoid being boxed in so to speak.
I couldn't agree more, which is why I was advocating for some architectural originality.

I can never get tired of knave and runic maps.
I did love knave at first, but just like a cool song that you hear everyday for months, there always comes a time when it gets tiresome. I've played a lot of knave maps but rarely saw this set being used in a really creative manner. You can't deny that it's often used on very similar architectural shapes.

@skacky: Whining? Bwahahahahahaha! Did you miss the a new jam is still cool news bit? And if "whining" bothers you that much, you must really hate yourself: you just whined about whining... ;) 

I hate myself so much that I felt some beautiful bliss when I saw that you weren't replying to every single thread anymore. You've been back for a day and you're already behaving like an asshole. You're basically the guy that yells "STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE, I WANT IT MY WAY!" at people who happen to enjoy something the way it is.

If Mugwump the Great is so tired of Knave lacking creativity and being used the way it is, why doesn't he enter the jam so he can school everyone, because obviously everyone who ever used Knave lacks creativity. I usually never use that 'argument' but in this case I think it's warranted. I wouldn't say that to Shambler for instance because Shambler, while he doesn't and won't map, at least says something of substance. 

I felt some beautiful bliss when I saw that you weren't replying to every single thread anymore.

I awoke with a tremendous feeling of optimism and confidence in you and your future. That was my vision of you. I'm so glad to have had this opportunity to share it with you. I wish you nothing but the very best in all things. 

Amen. 

Well, this thread seems to be going in the wrong direction already. 

Yeah, whatever suits your delusion. Can't stop the douches from pouring, can I? Funny how this kind of holier-than-thou characters are always the ones resorting to insults while I'm keeping it civil. Sure, I am the asshole... Thanks for the laugh, buddy. Peace out. 

Which is more punk, Knave-Anti-Revolutionary-Knave or Knave-Anti-Conservative-Knave?

I actually really want to see "New Knave" whatever that means. Knave has been done it's true, very well done. But something still lurks beyond it... 

http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61104 

You think you're keeping it civil but I don't think you realize how insanely insufferable you are. I am not the only one thinking that either.

I'm not a holier-than-thou type but I do take issue with narcissists like you who barge into a project with demands without actually doing anything about it themselves. You think Knave maps lack creativity? That's fine. You were being a killjoy, but that's fine. I've asked you twice already if you were entering the jam and you did not answer. I'm taking this as a no. Let people do their thing and piss off if you don't do anything yourself. Nobody cares whether you think Knave is stale or not and I can guarantee you nobody here will lose sleep over that. 

-.-

its a tribute jam

why do it with anything besides Quoth and knave.wad other than to please Mugwump?

Its like going to McDonalds and being upset they served you a frozen burger.

"I do declare these burgers would me much more delectable if they were fresh ground beef prepared medium well with perhaps some bleu cheese crumbles?" *curls mustache*

with that out of the way, Ill be entering this jam. 4 weeks should be more than enough time for me to whip something up with my busy schedule. 

Oh yeah, right, silly me! I forgot that some interwebz dwellers can't suffer any opinion that doesn’t 100% fit their own narrow view. "Insanely insufferable"? Puh-lease... I can't help it if you take a passing comment the wrong way! And even if I could, I wouldn't: I'm not here to cater to any random self-righteous internet diva. Get over yourself and stop blaming others for your own shortcomings. Talk about narcissist... the irony is staggering! Also, please point me to where exactly I made an actual demand - good luck with that!

You haven't actually asked me if I was joining in (for comprehension purposes, I suggest you read your own comments again), but considering my first comeback comment in the GA thread, the answer to this non-question is quite obvious.

Now, can you please leave it alone and stop polluting the thread with this stupidly nonsensical flame war?