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Modelling Help\Screenshots\Requests
It has always been difficult to get decent models for quake 1. So a thread where people can get advice on making models and post a work-in-progress for critiques is long overdue.

Any requests for models may well get met with silence. Specific requests will likely stand a better chance; "I'd really like a knight but carrying a shield" might be better received than "we need a mdler to join our mod remaking counter-strike for darkplaces".
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Good Luck To Him 
I remember writing the last exporter for blender, but abandoned it after the first release as breaking changes left it inoperative in a later version. I suppose abandoned software has stability as it's sole advantage... 
Thanks! 
I am trying something like a cell generator, that implies empty cell packs going in and out a machine after having an energy injection.

Fact is I need to translate the cell dimensions, which was 32x32 I thought. The way qmle translates units looks like cm.

Energycells are removeable, while these are solid, which means they have to stay out of reach of the player. 
Robotl Ever 
Shame for the lost triverse in the cell pack.
I have to change the scale anyway.

http://members.home.nl/gimli/clue.gif 
Madfox 
If you want a mdl with scale reference for a cell, dig into the pak2.pak file from quoth and open the pickup.mdl file. It is build to scale. 
Great! 
I have an example I had from Lunaran, but I lost it somewhere. Thanks for pointing the direction.

I was measuring the frame of qmle into my animation editor, and found that the units compared to centimeters. So for taking 64 x 64 I had my format. When I import a model though it is a giant. I have to scale it ten times before it is usable.

When I modelled the monster in the wall I met the same difficulty. 
Also 
It's worth noting that 1 unit in the map editor always corresponds to 1 unit in the QMe editor, which corresponds to 1 unit in the QC, if that is any help for scaling. Most conversion tools just translate one unit in their editor to 1 unit in quake as well, for example the gmax->md3->mdl pathway preserves 1 unit scale at each step. 
More Static Entities! 
Good to know, preach.
I often tried a cube into qmle, but it always fails ingames.

I made a whirlpool, or something in the way.
It could also be udsed as tornado.

http://members.home.nl/gimli/tornad.gif 
Nice Stuff 
The waterfall is realy gorgeous! 
Statics & Movement 
Is it possible to make a static entity move?
I have a sphere as a mdl, used as static entity and I want to make it turn slowly.

I remember the spikemines., but my aim is more something like a turning sky.
Calculating on framerates of 0.1 sec it isn't difficult to make it roll once in a second, but turning it slowly, like a rotal movement of 60 sec may be something beyond model dimensions.

I thought I can use 256 frames, so that would be 25.6 sec to go. That isn't a skybox turning, so I wondered if it would be possible with qc, or a hiher frame maximum.
What's the limit? 
Static Entities 
can only move two ways:

1. they can have the rotate flag set in the model, like weapon/armor models do.

2. they can have a framegroup which contains the animation, and the client will automatically cycle frames at 10Hz.

QuakeC cannot do anything with a static entity, once it is static it is purely a client-side object with no physics and no think functions. 
 
if you mean an entity that has had the makestatic() function run on it, then no.

of course, just remove that function call and you can move it as much as you want.

you can use .avelocity to give it constant rotation, so like .avelocity = '0 1 0'; will rotate 1 degree per second around y axis.
this will look like shit unless you are using an engine with high precision angles. 
Thanks 
Right.

So when I want to move a globe I can only make it roll like a grenadelauncher,

or

add as many frames as the engine can load.
How far can I match? 256 frames ~ 512? 
 
well, know, my example was like the weapon rotation, but you can rotate it however you want...
'1 0 0' is rotation around x axis, and '0 0 1' is z axis.
and you can use any number you want. even decimals. 
Madfox: 
256 frames is the max in protocol 15. Other network protocols (which require custom engines) support more. 
Cross+over 
Thanks, mertlslime that's what I was looking for! Then it will be 256 frames ~ 25.6 sec ~ comes to me like 1.5 minute a cycle.

I didn't see your post ,necros.
Also thanks for the info.

Why do you think it would look strange? 1.5 degree cycling with high resolution tex would make it look acceptable.
I don't know, maybe I'm just the next stupid noob who wants to make a turning skybox in Quake1.
:P 
Orbit Interuptus 
Well, I succeeded to blow up Qmle, as I suspected.
After splitting the 240 frames into parts of 40 it worked out after kicking the expected error.
I won't add a gif file as my homepage gets truncked, so here's the file.

http://members.home.nl/gimli/azimuth.zip

My zipfile came back corrupted.
Hope this one will do. 
Hr Model Skin 
How can I use high resolution texture on models?

I placed them in the id directory with the others
but it don't appear in game.
Brush texture are 256x256, but how does it go for the skinfile for a model?

I tried model.mdl_0.tga on 256x256 but it hust glidges. 
Skin Limits 
Is there a desired format for the dimension of a Q1 MDL skin? Are they suppose to be powers of 2? I looked through some of the ID skins and they are all strange sizes, does it matter the size of the skin? 
Skinsize 
What Qmle concerns the skinfile compares to the first imported file from base. Sometimes it is square or rectangle. General is the with that considders to go to limits like 308 x 264.

I always scale this up to a factor 480 x (>480), as this is the maximum skinsize before Fitzquake stops the game.

There are other ways to obtain a larger file, which is just the same problem I'm struggling with.
I'm accostumed to qmle, and sadly this has bad UV wrappers, in fact not.

So as long as you use 480 x (the desired compare) you are safe. 
Skinsize 
The ID skins are bad examples to follow, as they were created before graphics accelerators existed. Graphics cards expect power-of-2 skin sizes. The way that GLquake copes with this is to rescale all the skins to the nearest power-of-2 size first, which causes some distortion/smearing.

Fitzquake does the more sensible thing and pads the skin with blank space to increase its size to the next power-of-2, but that's still a waste of texture memory you could have used for your own skin. So stick to the standard powers-of-2 approach for best quality.

Footnote: DOSquake has an extra restriction on skins, that they can't be more than 200 pixels high (although they can be as wide as you like). Since that would constrain you to 128 height, I'd advise just not caring that DOSquake can't load the file, I don't think it's bothered anyone else this side of the millenium... 
Madfox 
external model textures go in the progs directory. make sure the engine you use supports external model textures, of course. 
FYI 
If you are using noesis for model conversion, I found that if you have UV points on the edge of the skin they are corrupted when converting to Q1 MDL format. I have tried to contact the author to see if the program can be changed but not much luck. 
 
speaking of edges on the skin, and someone please correct me if i'm wrong:
make sure the top left pixel of the skin texture is not a colour that is used on the visible parts of the skin itself or black.
some engines replace the colour of the pixel in the top left corner with black and every other pixel that shared that colour.

or something like that. 
Yup 
It's like a bucket fill in 'paint', replaces the top left corner and all the pixels of the same colour which form a contiguous block. This has caused me a great deal of pain trying to figure out why a model I rendered with a single-colour skin was coming out solid black... 
HR Resolution On Models 
I can't make it fit. I have the HR texture pak in ID1/textures and the brushes appear well in Fitzquake085.

Now I have the model.mdl that I want to give a high resolution texture.
First of all the skinfile in QMLE is bound to 480x126 and 256 colours and named model.bmp.
I'm looking for a way to add the HR skinfile.

Placing the same skinfile on 16M colours in the texture directory won't help as I keep getting the old 256 skinfile.
I can change the name to model.mdl_0.tga with no effect

I can't change that as my knowhow of Max Gmax doesn't supply.
RTFM won't help a lot as I tried all I could.

What am I dong wrong? 
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