Dumptruck
Haha, perfect!
I'm moving to Santa Monica soon, is why I ask. I'll send a shout out after I'm settled to see if anyone wants to meet up for some kind of asshole convention.
Fribbles
Come and hang out at nu-tf: https://discord.gg/9YkdqCu
Fribbles
Santa Monica? Nice. I'm in Burbank north of the Hollywood sign.
I hope you like traffic. It's getting bad in SoCal. But you'll have a straight shot to the beach on the latest metro line.
Yeah let's meet when you get settled.
So Frib
#30029 posted by SleepwalkR on 2018/02/25 16:37:35
What takes you to the US?
Some Polling Action
#30030 posted by killpixel on 2018/02/25 22:44:52
Interesting Killpixel.
#30031 posted by Shambler on 2018/02/26 11:16:13
You've picked some issues there that are 99% irrelevant to FPS game quality (I voted as such).
#30032 posted by mankrip on 2018/02/26 12:40:07
Level playtime depends not only on the gameplay mechanics, but also on the savegame style and on the talent of the people making the levels.
For reference, Leptis Magna is the largest AD map which I've enjoyed enough to feel like giving it another full run someday. On some of the other maps, I feel a little too overwhelmed and it gets a little hard to mentally track down all the tasks (books, keys, secrets, etc, and their respective locations and puzzles). Without real-time saving and detailed status info (let's say, maps like Foggy Bogbottom would really benefit from a Metroid Prime style automap and a Doom 3 PDA style notes system), the more complex maps become more difficult.
On the other hand, some games out there feature big levels whose encounters/puzzles/etc are not complex enough to take advantage of their available space, and becomes boring. In this case, the way to improve them would be to make them shorter.
TL;DR: Great level design can benefit from expansions to the game's scope, while not-so- good level design can benefit from a reduction in their scope.
#30033 posted by mankrip on 2018/02/26 12:52:49
The decision between episodes and a hub system should depend on the length of the levels.
Turok 2 uses a hub system where you can select each map individually, but each map takes a long time to be finished. Quake features an episodic hub system with multiple levels packed on each episode and where you can't select the maps individually, but the playtime of each map is way quicker.
It's Odd
#30034 posted by Kinn on 2018/02/26 12:55:33
Whenever these sorts of surveys come up, small maps arranged in episodes are always overwhelmingly preferred compared to a single megamap. For the time and effort it takes to produce a modern style megamap, a mapper could produce a really decent episode of smaller maps (something like the scope of Terra, or DOPA), so why don't we see more of them? It is just that mappers find it more enjoyable making big maps rather than episodes?
#30034 - I Know Why!
#30035 posted by khreathor on 2018/02/26 14:02:27
Modern mapping is about dick-waving. You want to make big, convoluted map with super detailed brushing. Gameplay must be at least 8h long. 1000 monsters is mandatory. If player's demo file is less than 20Gb, you're doing it wrong.
#30036 posted by killpixel on 2018/02/26 17:56:55
@shambler - Is that so? I appreciate your vote ;)
@mankrip - I definitely agree.
@kinn - The current poll results corroborate the data I already have and it makes sense to me. Intense gameplay can become fatiguing rather quickly. It's nice to be able to get quickie rather committing a chunk of time to something you'll grow tired of half way through.
@khrathor - Hyper-detailed megamaps are awe-inspiring, incredible achievements IMO. The rub is that I have much more fun noclipping around slack-jawed than actually playing them.
#30037 posted by mankrip on 2018/02/26 18:16:55
It's nice to be able to get quickie rather committing a chunk of time to something you'll grow tired of half way through.
That depends on the age of the audience. When I was a teenager with no job it was certainly easier to play long sessions, while in the last years most of my gaming has been on the bus. The megamaps in AD would certainly make it one of the top FPSs in the 90's, maybe the top one.
What's weird is that people who have lots of free time nowadays seems to prefer less intensive entertainment such as MMORPGs or binge watching Netflix.
I'd say to just define very well the kind of audience you're targeting, and go for it. There are all kinds of niches out there, you don't necessarily need to target everyone.
Killpixel.
#30038 posted by Shambler on 2018/02/26 20:08:53
Yeah man. I rate protagonist (as long as he's not as dull as fucking Jensen in DX), map linkage (as long as there is some and it's not unconnected gibberish like the latest Wofl), and map length (as long as it's not crazy short or days long) as pretty low factors compared to a game's, say, theme, flow, pacing, physics, movement, setting, aesthetics, exploration, gameplay-focus, architecture, bestiary, etc etc.
Size Counts.
#30039 posted by Kinn on 2018/02/26 20:16:49
Map length is a very important property. It hugely affects the gameplay experience IMO, and is also a big factor in deciding whether or not I can be bothered to replay. I agree the others aren't terribly important though.
#30040 posted by killpixel on 2018/02/26 20:51:10
@mankrip - That and there are so many games now vying for people's time like never before. As for the target demographic, seems to be 30 year old males (20ish on the younger end, 40-45 on the older).
@shamber - Yeah, I get what you're saying and where you're coming from. When it comes time to make fairly concrete decisions (which it has) in regards to scheduling, staffing, allocating funds, etc, these are absolutely pertinent questions that have 100% relevance to the final quality of the game. These being some of the questions currently at hand does not mean that I haven't, and won't continue to, consider deeply the other aspects of a quality FPS that you mentioned.
So yeah, I'm coming at this from a logistical angle as opposed to a general theory angle.
About The Age
#30041 posted by JPL on 2018/02/27 13:23:53
40-45 on the older.. I think you are out by a decade for some people ;)
Age!
#30042 posted by Hrimfaxi on 2018/02/27 15:32:12
Or two!
JPL
#30043 posted by killpixel on 2018/02/27 23:10:37
Definitely. I would say the average age of retro fps players/buyers is in the 30-35 range.
So What Did I Do...
#30044 posted by Quakeulf on 2018/02/28 18:07:30
To get blocked by @quake_txt on Twitter?
#30045 posted by Butane on 2018/03/01 01:28:24
Quakeulf, maybe he just doesn't like Quake II?
Who knows, especially if you don't recall have any interactions with the account..
#30046 posted by Quakeulf on 2018/03/01 08:04:48
I only retweeted and replied to some posts. Others who have done more for Quake 2 who have also strongly critisised the account are not blocked. It does not make sense.
What is going on?
Did You Know?
The original Rubicon turned 20 last Sunday.
#30047
#30048 posted by JPL on 2018/03/01 14:14:34
Happy Birthday so...
Quakeulf
#30049 posted by mankrip on 2018/03/01 18:07:51
Don't worry about it; if it was a mistake (automatic filtering, etc.), they'd be already aware and unblocked you.
I've also been unfollowed by a number of people, and likely muted by some, though I don't remember seeing anyone block me. Anyway, social networking is... It has the potential to be a good thing, but the downsides are prone to be mentally degrading, so it's important to not let stuff like this cling to our minds.
It's important to train ourselves to not care about people's negative reactions to us. Particularly, I prefer to not even know when people block or mute me. I'm fine with anyone hating or avoiding me, it happened a million times in my life with lots of different people, and eventually I've figured out that caring about such situations is just a waste of time. Plus, nobody can hate me more than myself, so usually it's just laughable.
And some people just need time. Having the initiative to try to "make things right" when the initiative to "make things wrong" came from the other person is awkward and would just make things worse.
People change, and someday some of the people who hates us end up changing their mind, so there's no need to rush things. If they never change their mind, it's their problem.
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