And Another Thing
#30013 posted by sevin on 2018/02/20 02:40:33
Why are there so damn many forks of Radiant?
But Can JACK...
Feature Request:
#30016 posted by brassbite on 2018/02/21 17:28:46
Escher mode
#30014
#30017 posted by mankrip on 2018/02/22 04:44:53
Very Nice
#30018 posted by killpixel on 2018/02/22 16:38:35
I'd like to see the tris and how well it lights!
#30019 posted by mankrip on 2018/02/22 19:14:58
I didn't try compiling it into a map. It's just a bunch of cubes with offsetting, rotation, shearing, vertex editing and a bit of triangulation.
Anyway, it was a bit disappointing to realize that the alt+rightclick tool for texture alignment is unable to make the texture alignment actually follow that path. Due to this, I couldn't use a scrolling texture to get the same effect of the animation linked by OTP.
The Quake BSP format uses a 2D projection on a 3D plane for texturing. This 3D plane uses a 3D projection to be rendered to the screen. I suspect that a 3D projection on a 3D plane would be required to properly align textures on structures like this.
Mankrip
#30020 posted by bal on 2018/02/22 19:44:06
With valve220 and by triangulating all your faces it is doable, I did something similar with obj2map, works fine.
#30021 posted by mankrip on 2018/02/22 23:26:52
Killpixel: Here's the mesh.
Bal: JACK's generated .map file has a "mapversion" "220" field in its worldspawn.
But what Jack is actually missing is a Contour Stretch UVs Projection tool. This could help a ton of maps.
And I guess that for such distorted shapes, this would require 3D texture mapping, where the texture can have a depth projected onto the surface plane itself rather than only on the screen. I'm talking about a surface with a texture tiled in a non-linear way like this, rather than like this. Hmm, I guess that "non-linear texture mapping" is a better way to describe what I'm thinking about.
Linearly mapped scaling, rotation and shearing can at best produce results like this. It can't make, for example, a rectangular tile fit a trapezoid surface - and many curved shapes are basically a set of trapezoid segments.
Mankrip
#30022 posted by bal on 2018/02/22 23:44:25
No 3D modeling app does that though, you're only solution is to have more polies basically to hide the how the triangulation breaking up your UVs.
Still with valve220 + triangulation, you have the equivalent of UVs and can do in quake anything you could do in a modeling app with same ammount of tris.
#30017
Absolute madman.
Func_Group
Lunaran, Johnny Law mentioned that you wanted to make the Steam group public. I can do that, if nobody has any objections.
Any of you assholes live in SoCal?
@Mr Fribbles
I live in Los Angeles dude. And luckily I am an asshole.
Dumptruck
Haha, perfect!
I'm moving to Santa Monica soon, is why I ask. I'll send a shout out after I'm settled to see if anyone wants to meet up for some kind of asshole convention.
Fribbles
Come and hang out at nu-tf: https://discord.gg/9YkdqCu
Fribbles
Santa Monica? Nice. I'm in Burbank north of the Hollywood sign.
I hope you like traffic. It's getting bad in SoCal. But you'll have a straight shot to the beach on the latest metro line.
Yeah let's meet when you get settled.
So Frib
#30029 posted by SleepwalkR on 2018/02/25 16:37:35
What takes you to the US?
Some Polling Action
#30030 posted by killpixel on 2018/02/25 22:44:52
Interesting Killpixel.
#30031 posted by Shambler on 2018/02/26 11:16:13
You've picked some issues there that are 99% irrelevant to FPS game quality (I voted as such).
#30032 posted by mankrip on 2018/02/26 12:40:07
Level playtime depends not only on the gameplay mechanics, but also on the savegame style and on the talent of the people making the levels.
For reference, Leptis Magna is the largest AD map which I've enjoyed enough to feel like giving it another full run someday. On some of the other maps, I feel a little too overwhelmed and it gets a little hard to mentally track down all the tasks (books, keys, secrets, etc, and their respective locations and puzzles). Without real-time saving and detailed status info (let's say, maps like Foggy Bogbottom would really benefit from a Metroid Prime style automap and a Doom 3 PDA style notes system), the more complex maps become more difficult.
On the other hand, some games out there feature big levels whose encounters/puzzles/etc are not complex enough to take advantage of their available space, and becomes boring. In this case, the way to improve them would be to make them shorter.
TL;DR: Great level design can benefit from expansions to the game's scope, while not-so- good level design can benefit from a reduction in their scope.
#30033 posted by mankrip on 2018/02/26 12:52:49
The decision between episodes and a hub system should depend on the length of the levels.
Turok 2 uses a hub system where you can select each map individually, but each map takes a long time to be finished. Quake features an episodic hub system with multiple levels packed on each episode and where you can't select the maps individually, but the playtime of each map is way quicker.
It's Odd
#30034 posted by Kinn on 2018/02/26 12:55:33
Whenever these sorts of surveys come up, small maps arranged in episodes are always overwhelmingly preferred compared to a single megamap. For the time and effort it takes to produce a modern style megamap, a mapper could produce a really decent episode of smaller maps (something like the scope of Terra, or DOPA), so why don't we see more of them? It is just that mappers find it more enjoyable making big maps rather than episodes?
#30034 - I Know Why!
#30035 posted by khreathor on 2018/02/26 14:02:27
Modern mapping is about dick-waving. You want to make big, convoluted map with super detailed brushing. Gameplay must be at least 8h long. 1000 monsters is mandatory. If player's demo file is less than 20Gb, you're doing it wrong.
#30036 posted by killpixel on 2018/02/26 17:56:55
@shambler - Is that so? I appreciate your vote ;)
@mankrip - I definitely agree.
@kinn - The current poll results corroborate the data I already have and it makes sense to me. Intense gameplay can become fatiguing rather quickly. It's nice to be able to get quickie rather committing a chunk of time to something you'll grow tired of half way through.
@khrathor - Hyper-detailed megamaps are awe-inspiring, incredible achievements IMO. The rub is that I have much more fun noclipping around slack-jawed than actually playing them.
#30037 posted by mankrip on 2018/02/26 18:16:55
It's nice to be able to get quickie rather committing a chunk of time to something you'll grow tired of half way through.
That depends on the age of the audience. When I was a teenager with no job it was certainly easier to play long sessions, while in the last years most of my gaming has been on the bus. The megamaps in AD would certainly make it one of the top FPSs in the 90's, maybe the top one.
What's weird is that people who have lots of free time nowadays seems to prefer less intensive entertainment such as MMORPGs or binge watching Netflix.
I'd say to just define very well the kind of audience you're targeting, and go for it. There are all kinds of niches out there, you don't necessarily need to target everyone.
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