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Modelling Help\Screenshots\Requests
It has always been difficult to get decent models for quake 1. So a thread where people can get advice on making models and post a work-in-progress for critiques is long overdue.

Any requests for models may well get met with silence. Specific requests will likely stand a better chance; "I'd really like a knight but carrying a shield" might be better received than "we need a mdler to join our mod remaking counter-strike for darkplaces".
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A Little More Detailed... 
step by step...

basically i start out and do my leg movements.
this is very rough, little more than the foot going up, then down and pushing backwards.

then, (with IK), i get a little bobbing motion going with the entire body.
at this point, the bobbing up and down is pretty silly and exaggerated.

now i'll try to position the spine in a static pose (for now) in how i generally want the upper body positioned. so if it's a full tilt running, then i bend the spine way forward, otherwise, i mostly just get it into a decent walking position. (maybe hunched over if it's an evil ogre)

at this point, i start to smooth out the feet so that they look as good as i can make it. with IK, hips won't affect it, and i can always tweak later if i have to anyway.

next up will be to get to side to side motion of the COG/center of gravity done and to make the up and down motion more realistic as well.
the side to side motion is important. without it, the animation can look wooden but not immediately obvious why.

now that the COG movement is done, i do the hip tilting and then the spine sway/compensation stuff.

afterwards, assuming everything looks ok, i'll do the upper body rotation (lots for running, very little/none for walking)

finally, i do the arms.

i do the arms last because otherwise, i'll have to keep going back and tweaking them every time i change something in the torso, or anything that affects the torso. (i rarely do IK on hands, although biped has the option to toggle it on and off). 
Yikes Third Post... 
if you have ne_ruins, open up pak0.pak and open the zombie2.mdl in qme.

i left the oldrun animation sequence in there for some reason. compare oldrun and run for hips/COG swaying. 
Tutorial Time 
I don't have a method of my own, but I do remember learning quite a bit from a tutorial by Paul Steed. Although Paul is probably most fondly remembered for being the driving force behind the Start-To-Crate rating system, archive.org hosts the tutorial:
http://web.archive.org/web/20030621121346/http://www.loonygames.com/content/1.22/totb/index2.shtml
It's a shame the videos are missing but all the images are preservered 
 
that's pretty cool. shame about the missing animations as i imagine they would really illustrate his points.

i didn't mention it, but his tutorial does on page2: make sure the feet (when on the ground) are on the center line of motion, not just moving forward and back. the overall motion of the foot is more of a very wide arc instead of a line. 
Static Entity 
Having a skeletal rig is a good tool for animating models. Takes some time to construckt though.

Made some dynamic turbulence in the waterfall.

http://members.home.nl/gimli/farl.gif 
Beautiful! 
 
MadFox 
Brilliant!

What's it like with a texture: water, lava, b-l-o-o-d... 
*v* 
Nice! 
 
Very Cool Indeed 
 
/\ What They Said 
that looks better than i thought it would with the texture; even the bottom scrolls. good job. 
MadFox 
That's good, really good. 
My Cells Are Drained... 
MadFox 
The water fall is indeed really nice ! Good job !
And the latest one: I'd like to see it textured too ;) 
Fyi 
taniwha of Quakeforge is working on a new mdl exporter for Blender 
Good Luck To Him 
I remember writing the last exporter for blender, but abandoned it after the first release as breaking changes left it inoperative in a later version. I suppose abandoned software has stability as it's sole advantage... 
Thanks! 
I am trying something like a cell generator, that implies empty cell packs going in and out a machine after having an energy injection.

Fact is I need to translate the cell dimensions, which was 32x32 I thought. The way qmle translates units looks like cm.

Energycells are removeable, while these are solid, which means they have to stay out of reach of the player. 
Robotl Ever 
Shame for the lost triverse in the cell pack.
I have to change the scale anyway.

http://members.home.nl/gimli/clue.gif 
Madfox 
If you want a mdl with scale reference for a cell, dig into the pak2.pak file from quoth and open the pickup.mdl file. It is build to scale. 
Great! 
I have an example I had from Lunaran, but I lost it somewhere. Thanks for pointing the direction.

I was measuring the frame of qmle into my animation editor, and found that the units compared to centimeters. So for taking 64 x 64 I had my format. When I import a model though it is a giant. I have to scale it ten times before it is usable.

When I modelled the monster in the wall I met the same difficulty. 
Also 
It's worth noting that 1 unit in the map editor always corresponds to 1 unit in the QMe editor, which corresponds to 1 unit in the QC, if that is any help for scaling. Most conversion tools just translate one unit in their editor to 1 unit in quake as well, for example the gmax->md3->mdl pathway preserves 1 unit scale at each step. 
More Static Entities! 
Good to know, preach.
I often tried a cube into qmle, but it always fails ingames.

I made a whirlpool, or something in the way.
It could also be udsed as tornado.

http://members.home.nl/gimli/tornad.gif 
Nice Stuff 
The waterfall is realy gorgeous! 
Statics & Movement 
Is it possible to make a static entity move?
I have a sphere as a mdl, used as static entity and I want to make it turn slowly.

I remember the spikemines., but my aim is more something like a turning sky.
Calculating on framerates of 0.1 sec it isn't difficult to make it roll once in a second, but turning it slowly, like a rotal movement of 60 sec may be something beyond model dimensions.

I thought I can use 256 frames, so that would be 25.6 sec to go. That isn't a skybox turning, so I wondered if it would be possible with qc, or a hiher frame maximum.
What's the limit? 
Static Entities 
can only move two ways:

1. they can have the rotate flag set in the model, like weapon/armor models do.

2. they can have a framegroup which contains the animation, and the client will automatically cycle frames at 10Hz.

QuakeC cannot do anything with a static entity, once it is static it is purely a client-side object with no physics and no think functions. 
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