....because Killes.

Kinn might get an extra shiney bellend point for playing on a console, but then he gets an extra cuddly Kinn point for enjoying Doom4 and spreading the love about it. 

DOOM2016 is awesome in single player. Played it first time on medium just going forward not really looking for stuff. Replayed it again on ultraviolence, this time getting the challenges, secrets, etc.

One super-annoying thing I would say are the "point of no return" areas in some levels, like a door closes behind you or you fall down somewhere without the means of getting back - this limits the backtracking and in a lot of levels forces to replay them from the start to grab the stuff you missed and then was locked out of.

I would also love to see more monster varieties within one type - why is there two types of mancubus, but not others? 

"Requires Steam activation and broadband internet connection for Multiplayer and SnapMap"

I have a new video card and should be able to play this game now. I frequently see it on sale for $20, but I'm having a hard time finding out what (if any) DRM is used. Apparently Denuvo was removed.

I don't mind activating and downloading through Steam, but after that Steam can be shut down?

I probably would never bother with it, but why is internet required for Snapmap? 

I'm intrigued, never seen that before for FPSs. Do you have videos/demos handy? 

What bit are you referring to? 

And no, not trolling. I ask because I respect your opinion a lot. 

I wish I had a decent computer to play on but can't afford it. I was gifted an xbox one so played on that. Lots of fun on lower difficulties but I honestly can't aim for shit with gamepads compared to mouse. I don't understand how people do it. So I struggle and don't have much fun in higher difficulty levels, with this game and others. 

I probably would never bother with it, but why is internet required for Snapmap?

Uploading and downloading maps I would expect.

I don't know the exact details of this, but I am aware that there is an online maps gallery that you can browse, vote on, submit maps to, and stuff like that.

Is participation in the gallery mandatory if you're going to use Snapmap at all? Don't know. 

ah right. Well, there will be a ton of Doom4 youtube videos of xbone / ps4 players - and maybe some of those players will be good, I dunno. 

Thanks for the compliment :) 

Is it not time for PC/console multiplatform games to offer a mouse/keyboard(pad) peripheral ?
For MP balance simply force console mouse peripheral users onto PC MP servers and keep regular console gamepad servers as is?

Consoles are a fucking disease. I don"t even see this impacting their revenue, rather boost it.

Could definately harm PC sales of certain games though. 

"Consoles are a fucking disease. " 

have become console peasants willfully. Doom4 on PS4 Pro rocks. 

I hope you've got a marble encased controlled with gold inlaid keys for that bollox. 

might not have access to video games if it wasn't for consoles.

... 

I may be unwashed but my kids are washed and fed and concomitantly I don't have an approved gaming rig. 

See, why deprive people of mouse and keyboard gaming goodness.

What the fuck is wrong with setting a ps4 on a desk with a HDMI cable to a monitor and m+k, if one wishes to ?

Fucking disease, again. 

Probably having fuck all chance to get key rebinds working??

Convince me otherwise and I will PS4+M+KB the shit out of Bloodborne (until I ragequit) and HZD and more. 

Because that would defeat the purpose of a console, specifically the casual/laid-back mode of gaming it provides, in the sense of being able to play anywhere in the room instead of being locked to a desk or desk-like setup. This is what most people want and most games support which makes additional m+k solutions undesirable financially as well as problematic for balance. They attempted it on the Dreamcast, but it didn't pick up for obvious reasons.

PC gamer butthurt aside, the problem is not with consoles in general, but about the fact that most games are produced for both platforms which, specifically in the case of first person shooters, requires them to be adjusted to gamepad controls which inevitably results in a (perceived/actual) simplification of gameplay/mechanics to varying degrees.

In the case of Doom 2016, it probably doesn't really matter. Not every FPS is, nor needs to be, all twitch reactions/skill shot-based. Though I do agree that the current trend seems to significantly lower the chances for 'delicate' FPS games like Stalker or CS - they come to mind as games that likely cannot exist on consoles the way they are. 

Hang on, if I got a PS4 with M+KB to play BB and HZD.....I'm part of the fucking problem. Gonna shit in a sealed bag and post it to Sony and get back to playing PC games instead. 

... if one can be arrested for sending excrements by mail. Probably that is settled by the terms and conditions of the post service and/or Sony. 

negke - bollox.

I do mean console K+B for Cross platform FPS's

There is no balance issue or defeating of the laid back mode so long as player bases are separated between M+KB and Gamepad players, platform independent even, all that matters is the input method there.

Nothing else need change to the status quo, only more player options with their hardware (or rather their rented hardware, disease I tell you) 

I don't play on consoles because of microsoft and sony. I cannot buy in to the walled off, closed eco-systems these control freak companies offer.

To me, this resembles the classic razor blade/razor concept. Send me my free razor and I will consider trying your blades. Wait. The razor is how much? Sorry, I pass.

I can't speak about sony because I stopped buying anything they offered nearly 15 years ago, but microsoft seems to want anything of mine that they can make a profit off of. Their status with me is now lower even than sony's.

But none of this has to do with Doom. Is there a console vs. pc thread? 

Is there a console vs. pc thread?

I don't think so... so please create it ;)