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starbuck posted above about nvidia replacing their 8800gt line with newer faster model without renaming them.
bah, it should be a lot easier than this :) If I were going to buy a new card right now I'd go for the ATI HD3870. Supposedly the performance is about on par with the 8800 cards, and the price is pretty reasonable.
Of course, I haven't heard about these newer 8800 cards so perhaps that isn't the case anymore. contains the g92 bits, very fast card, good value!
OK, there are Old: 8800 GTS 320/640MB - erm 90nm chips, still more expensive than faster new models with similar names. 8800 GTX/Ultra - 768Mb - pretty fast, still quite expensive - not sure of chipset. New 8800 GTS 512Mb - 65nm G92 chip - faster than old GTS 640Mb!! Also new 8800 GT. *not GTS* 65nm G92 chip - almost as fast as new GTS 512 but less expensive. GOOD VALUE FAST DX10 SUPPORT!! :D :D ATI - Apparently the newer ATI cards support DirectX10.1 which NVidia cards dont. But I think NVidia cards are faster for the money. There are others and stuff, I dunno..... 9600GT g94 21.02.08 estimated price 160�
8800GS g92 Both a bit slower than 8800gt But less expesnsive. I think I'll buy a 9600gt Ati has the better cards for less money at the moment.
3850 a bit more than 100� !!! but not tooo much slower. 3870 as fast as the 8800GT and also as expensive. The computer arrived this morning. I tried to turn it on and it said in BIOS "processor error" "processor temperature error", then would crash after a couple of seconds on the windows loading screen.
So I took the side off, and to my dismay the heatsink was completely free from the MOBO, except for the power supply leads. The plastic casing around two of the four bracket-pins were damaged, as if it had been ripped off. I managed to re-attatch the two remaining pins, so the heat sink is on, but not quite as well-on as I would like. The computer powers up OK now. 3DMark06 - about 6500 little dissapointed with that, I have to see if I can configure it a bit better.... I now get a 3DMark06 score of (fanfare):
11467 Those that know will know that for a single card machine, that is pretty good!! Getting to that score on the other hand was a real ball-ache. After getting home last night and attempting to power up Crysis, I found that after a few minutes of playing the game (well, during the first in-game cut-scene actually) the computer would turn itself off. I kinda figured out already that this was because the heat sink wasn't attached properly (sorta hanging on one side) The pins on the heat sink were not in a good way. Two of them were broken (on one side) and two of them were not (on the other side). I managed to take one of the knackered ones off with a screwdriver (an arduous process) which completely broke when it cam off, and then, as if by some act of god, I managed to get one of the functional pins off intact, and re-attach it to the other corner. So now I have a functional pin on two opposite corners. After attaching the heat sink with the two working pins (out of four) I thought it now seemed pretty steady. The computer has worked fine since then, impressing me with a very high 3DMark06 score and running crysis playably in 1280x1024 with 2xAntiAiliasing and high details (DX9). He he, I'm gonna try the DX9 very high details hack when I get home... So, 3 weeks after ordering the PC, after taking nine days for my money to clear in their account, another week to build and dispatch the machine, a wasted weekend due to them shipping it to the billing address last Friday, where I couldn't receive it, getting it yesterday only to have to partly re-build it due to shoddy workmanship, I now have a pretty stonking PC for not too much money (£600). Would I recommend the company to a friend? Maybe, if the friend knows enough about computers to fix them up a bit, because It was very good value for money (would have been even better value if the build/delivery/machine had worked properly from the start... Ricky, what kind of jokers are you dealing with here?
I order hardware online from a couple of different places, and I usually get it delivered interstate the next day, especially from my favourite online store. As long as the stuff is in stock, it's generally 1-2 days (for loose parts). Last time I bought a new PC I couldn't be arsed assembling it myself, so I has them assemble a near-complete system and ship it to me. Even a custom assembled system only took about 3 days to arrive. I'm in Australia here, so I imagine the available services in the UK or the US is better.. so again.. wtf? I guess you've already worked it out, but don't buy from those guys again... :) ...I used Infinity (Brunswick) several times when I was living in Melbourne. They were once 1/2 an hour late with a delivery, but apart from that good service, prompt delivery and decent range (otpions).
...Google UK put these guys second on the list of results for PC deals.
Haha - their sales guy asked me to send them a picture of the broken heat-sink! Stupid - that is encouraging me to take it off of the MOBO again! I have sent them a snotty email. I must admit it was a cheap deal. But you'd expect it to work out of the box, too!! And not take 3 weeks to arrive either. Frankly, I feel like they were pretty shoddy. And they're joking if they expect me to send it back, after I have waited all of this time and now have it working!! The computer itself is working fine. Pretty noiseless, runs everything fast as hell! Ive been missing out! Tried Doom3 demo @ 1280x1024 (my monitors max), ultra detail, 8xAA and it runs flawlessly. I mean it runs at the monitors 60hz refresh rate. Its a step away from my Geforce2 anyway!! Crysis - Im playing Crysis with the 1.1 patch and the very high detail DX9 hack in 1280x1024 with 2xAA and I find it playable, but its not going faster than the screen refresh rate. Very little stutter though, maybe 20-30 fps average... Im loving it!! I just hope it doesnt blow up on me or anything!!! :D The main company I like to deal with is auspcmarket.com.au because they're very fast and professional, great service, very good online ordering and tracking system, etc. They're based in NSW.
On the flipside, they're on average a little more expensive than some other dealers (they offer free shipping on every item, but they factor the shipping costs into the list price I guess). If you're just buying one item it doesn't really matter, but if you were to buy a bunch of small items at once, you could end up paying more than buying it elsewhere. I'm happy to pay a small price premium for excellent service though. They don't totally rip you off anyway (in actual fact, the last system I did buy, they assembled it and delivered it interstate for no extra charge... !) I also like eyo.com.au which is not quite as nice as Auspcmarket, but they're pretty good and often a bit cheaper. I'm happy to pimp them since I've dealt with them many times, and they've always been outstanding. Definitely recommended for anyone in Australia.
http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/ distrans and frib.
I've been buying parts from MSY who have very good prices but agonisingly atrocious service. http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html
gamers are not embracing dx10. and half of the people still use 3+ years old hardware. PC gaming is dying haha if this is really representative, no wonder modern PC game dont sell that well - only minority (like ~20%) can run them That's likely because to embrace DX10 you have to embrace Vista and most gamers aren't willing to do that.
Crysis looks very nice on high settings under DX9, and they said "to experience DX10 extra features you require Vista", but you can make DX9 run all of the extra features just by changing some digits in the config files!
So why bother getting Vista and DX10? Vista is not a hippo unless you have QX6600+ and 4Gb, besides it's only really the 9800 cards which do DX10 any justice at the moment! People want games with good gameplay, Crysis was a very pretty game with very average gameplay - Assassins Creed - not dissimilar - er... is there really that much else which uses DX10 features to their potential? Crysis looks very nice on high settings under DX9, and they said "to experience DX10 extra features you require Vista", but you can make DX9 run all of the extra features just by changing some digits in the config files!
So why bother getting Vista and DX10? Vista is not a hippo unless you have QX6600+ and 4Gb, besides it's only really the 9800 cards which do DX10 any justice at the moment! People want games with good gameplay, Crysis was a very pretty game with very average gameplay - Assassins Creed - not dissimilar - er... is there really that much else which uses DX10 features to their potential? "Vista is not a hippo unless you have QX6600+ and 4Gb"
Bollocks. A 2 year old Core2Duo machine with 1GB ram is going to run Vista SP1 just as well as it would run WinXP SP3, so stop spreading FUD please. Every OS is going to suck immideately after release due to shitty drivers and the like, Vista was no exception and WinXP was definately no exception either when it originally came out. If you take a look at most recent perfomance benchmarks and compare gaming perfomance of Vista SP1 compared to XP SP3, you will actually notice that there are pretty much equal.
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