It depends on how you define "ultra-conservative". Taken to it's logical extreme, it could mean that anything that's not ID1 content and gameplay is "not Quake".

My belief is that - even in the pre-GPL days - Quake was designed from the outset to be user-modifiable. There is plenty of evidence to back that up.

As soon as something is user-modifiable the ball is so far out of the park that it's actually in the next city. If something *can* be done then it *will* be done. You can either reject that and stick to your guns, or accept and embrace it in all it's glory.

By the "Quake was designed to be user-modifable from the outset" yardstick, it's fair to say that *everything* *is* Quake. Even the remake of Wolf3D e1m1 that's hosted on Quaddicted (which to my mind is even less "Quake" than RMQ could ever be) *is* "Quake". That is all. 

 

Are you really so vain as to make a thread crying about the critisms of your shitty ass mod? QfuckingQ, kill yourself. 

how's your hardware adventure? 

And where was it said? I don't recall that happening. 

... but I an not involved in Remake Quake.

But having diverse interests and likes ranging from stock Quake to Quakelife [an FTEQW-based Half-Life adaption of sorts to Quake] to Kurok and various total conversions I am curious to the *real* objections to modifications found in Remake Quake.

CZG, I guess aside from being an elite mapper, you are are a "gaylord" ... enough said. ;) 

Baker is not part of that team!

mh: "Quake" means different things to different people. RMQ changes all the weapons and monsters which makes it a different game for me.

To give some perspective, QuakeWorld is vastly more like the original Quake than RMQ is. Now ask Netquake players what they think of it. :-) 

Apologies, I was confused.

RMQ is still a shitty ass mod. 

Vondur I got my mobo and cpu today and now I'm just waiting for the new ram really, and then I gotta go out and get a gpu as well, couldn't find one earlier...
Hopefully will have everything up and running on Thursday or something? 

just make a fucking forum thread about this, did you. Your site/blog whine was already pretty borderline stupid, but this is just getting pathetic. 

By the way Von I have a really cool rumor to tell you guys when I get back on IRC so remind me about that or I will forget. 

czg sure 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-ti-roundup-asus-engtx560-graphics-card-overclocking,2858.html 

http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/shit-storm-weatherman.jpg 

Your site/blog whine was already pretty borderline stupid, but this is just getting pathetic.

that was gb with the site/blog whine, not baker unless i'm missing something? please use your name.

i think this discussion was covered enough already at quaddicted 

must there be such animosity over this, actually the impression that I get is that we all basically agree on what a Q1SP is. 

Quakelife [an FTEQW-based Half-Life adaption of sorts to Quake]

link? 

 

Could the question in the thread title be replied by a simple yes and no ? 

I am curious to the *real* objections to modifications found in Remake Quake.

Some of them are hailed as improvements while they really aren't (monstercount removed, increased fall damage, "rebalanced" weapons where the DBS is more powerful than the RL), some are annoying but won't be changed due to stubbornness (the "high quality" sounds, monsters being able to one-hit kill you because gb is clinging back to the roguelike days), some just contradict eachother ("let's give new behaviors to all the monsters and then have them either die in 5 seconds or kill the player in 5 seconds", or the recent "giving monsters more HP is bad, but making Shamblers more resistant to all damage is totally different" gem) 

JUST KIDDING OTP XD

but seriously. all that stuff was already raised numerous times and will prob be under review at a time in the future when people on the team don't have loads of other shit to do. give it time... 

OTP basically said exactly what I feel. He is my new favourite poster here.

Anyway, close this thread and ban everyone in it. 

The OP asked for real objections so I posted them...

To Baker:

My personal opinion is (...) that the 1,376 id1 maps at Quaddicted adequately cover everything of substance that is ever gonna be done with id1 Quake.

You were saying the same thing before, and then Rubicon2 came out.

Dismissing the critics of the mod as "ultra conservatives" or "defenders of the one true Quake" is borderline arrogant, I sort of wish you guys would finally get that message across. (becase you hadn't, in the ~17 months I had been involved with the project) 

Let's make out.