<Shamblurp> jack and coke tastes kinda tangy now too 

It *could* have been an accident. 

20 years deceased middle-aged softly-spoken hippy artist vs the most popular e-sports in the world on the opening night of Blizzcon:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-B3jofEPjsAw/VkNd5rKLAfI/AAAAAAAAAdA/y4maUJI3jqI/s1600/robboss1.jpg 

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HqqTMbh-GTw/VkNdrOkGu5I/AAAAAAAAAc4/Hnos37DnDR4/s1600/eldarwarlock.jpg 

Slammin' 'Ham, Sham! 

Reading user comments for Fallout 4 on Steam, I learned that "mostly positive" actually means "almost 10%". 

I'm about 6 hours in ... I have nothing but positive things to say. It's amazeballs. 

The Fallout fandom has long been some of the worst scum on the internet, it doesn't matter how good/bad FO4 is; if even the slightest changes to the formula was made, they'd be going apeshit. We're not even a tenth as fanatical about Quake as some of those fuckers are about Fallout.

I haven't played it... but half my friends list on Steam has been playing constantly since it came out. I highly doubt they would be playing so much if it was terrible. 

Fallout and Elder Scrolls scratch an itch that's difficult to get scratched otherwise. I don't particularly find them very enthralling, but they're not awful. They're just good at being a single player MMO. 

http://imgur.com/r/gaming/C4KSMR9 

Eh, that's people focusing on shit that doesn't matter. At all. :)

That's forest-for-the-trees type stuff. 

Eh, I wasn't going to buy it. I was just surprised at all the negative comments. When it drops to 1/2 price maybe I'll buy. I don't think my video card meets minimum specs anyway. 

Enough betatesters bought it by now, maybe in half a year it is free of bugs/glitches. 

Been watching CohhCarnage play it, and by that I mean "watching CohhCarnage wrestle with the kittens his wife placed on his head mid-stream". I think this shows off the game quite well.

It's a shameless post-Apoc Skyrim mod, with an emphasis on collecting every fucking piece of crap in the game, and a load of sim village bollox thrown in. The combat looks kinda good, on the rare occasions you actually encounter it and don't spent the whole time in dismal ruined buildings picking up staplers and cigarette butts from a decrepit desk. The outside bits looks sweet graphically, especially the day/night cycle, the dismal ruined buildings less so, especially with the bland pip-boy lighting.

Basically if you like endless fucking around in a wasteland environment and fighting at least 2 monsters every 10 minutes, great. For me....it doesn't quite inspire me enough. 

Are always about playing with your action man figure, dicking about combining springs with sprockets so your gun doesn't become useless at shooting mutated dogs, cops or zombies. Or collecting dog hides to turn into a magical helmet of +1 dex.

I couldn't get into stalker, GTA, WOW or any of the other most awesomest games ever either.

I'm sure there is a game hidden within all the fluff, but I can't be arsed to dig it out. 

I didn't know big sandbox games were ever about combining sprockets with dog cops or whatever 

Well, Fallout 4 is Fallout 3 except worse, which was hard to do, but always bet on Bethesda to fuck something up further.

- The dialogue system is one of the worst I've ever seen in an RPG. No speech checks and other similar stuff. In FO1, if you had enough speech and intelligence points, you could argue with a character and convince them to kill themselves. This was ONLY if you had high enough points there, with additional dialogue options. How rad is that? And I'm not counting the countless NPCs with additional dialogue options. Make a low intelligence character in FO2? People treat you like a dumbass and Vault City considers you too much of an untermensch to enter their city. There is nothing like this in FO4. You are stuck with 4 miserable choices and you don't even know what your character will say before you select the reply.
- Virtually zero choices & consequences and almost no karma, resulting in quests that generally end the same way with each playthrough. The Junktown situation could be dealt with in many ways in FO1 for instance, and the consequences of your actions could be felt both immediately and later on.
- Recycled story from FO3, except with inverted roles this time. Boring.
- Completely static factions; at least NV tried to be like the first two games in that regard: you could join/betray factions and your choices had a lasting impact. Here? Nada.
- It also goes without saying the game is ugly as sin, but it also bears little to no relation with the original artstyle that was still somewhat there in FO3 and NV. It's all cutesy and stuff now.

Bethesda clearly has learned nothing from Obsidian. There's a couple reasons why NV sucks less than FO3: better writing and better RPG systems. FO4 has none of that and does away with the few things FO3 did decently.

I'm not even talking about bugs, technical issues and glitches because everyone knows Bethesda games are never finished, but everyone seems to love them regardless. Hell, some of the bugs are exactly the same as in Skyrim!

In the meantime, wake me up when Bethesda makes a decent RPG. 

 

I feel like I'm playing a totally different game. Loving Fallout 4.

"It also goes without saying the game is ugly as sin"

They don't have the greatest graphics engine for sure but this is heads and shoulders above the brown/green mush that was Fallout 3 and the drab brown/grey that was NV. 

Go along with some other views I've seen, that this is sort of Rage2, with far too much FPS and far too little RPG.

If only I'd seem the slightest bit of evidence of that, I might actually be interested. 

And the FPS aspect isn't even good, which is another nail in the coffin. It's slightly better than FO3 (weapons pack more of a punch, slo-mo VATS is better than paused) but it's still plagued with lethargic weapon feel and bullet sponge enemies. 

Has anyone ever made a map (think cartography) of the Quake universe? 

I wish! 

I have a very vague recollection someone did at some point....but can't recall any details. Nice idea though! 

What would that even look like?