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I don't think that using the downward swing to fast its flame attack is very effective. I'd much prefer to see something else used there. Also, he has several sword movement anims while running, and some are similar to his magic anims, so maybe enabling him to run and shoot?
make the ogre marksman z-aware, and visually differentiate them a bit, with a different colored jacket or something. They're the smart ones, then.
make the ogre marksman z-aware, and visually differentiate them a bit, with a different colored jacket or something. They're the smart ones, then.
That's what we did with the quoth flak ogre. He works fairly well in that he becomes less predictable, but its not such a great change as z-aware ogres (although they stay in). Basically for his magic attacks he does a standard spread, vertical version and direct shot (straight line). His close combat attacks are expanded to use all anims as well, with slight differences in the when and how much damage factors, but mainly a visual difference.
What I should do is have him only use the vertical flame attack when the player is above or below him - z-aware hellknights anyone? Allowing him to run and shoot is a pretty large gameplay change, I reckon. I like Z-aware ogres - I now see the old ones as unfinished code. You get used to them. In base progs everone ignores the Ogres - normally you just let them get on with their thing on the upper levels, because their grenades are only dangerous if you're stood in the wrong place. When they actually aim at you you have to treat them as an active enemy instead of something to kill later on, in many cases when you're on the same vertical level as them. The different skin solution seems a bit odd, tbh. If there's both types in a level it's more of a confusion for the player to adapt to the new ones - red ones aim at me, green ones aim at the horizon. I'm not wanting an argument - this is the way I'm building my mod - but opinions are good. I can see there's going to be a problem with the Ogres . . . smart ogres and dual chainsaw ogres sounds cool
also i like the axe but a chainsaw sounds cool to but will the shamber have larger claws? like how he holds his hands up so his points are facing up, will the points reach to his mid arm...err While I agree with bambuz that Quake DM is largely defined by the RL and RA, keep in mind that it has a very unique movement set (bunny).
monster in Quake mapping, other than the guardian from Dissolution of Eternity, both creatures get worse press than they deserve, and conversely the ogres are way overrated.
Ogres are overused because they're fairly multifunctional, apart from the aforementioned aiming dumbness.
I never really played the expansions much, I always preferred the community stuff. Think I'll give them a look now though for resources / ideas. A monster that leaps quickly and spastically at you, but also explodes fatally when you kill it, is pretty clearly a bad idea. It's telling that Romero's main intent when he came up with them was "this'll really fuck with the keyboarders!"
I'd do one or the other, but not both in one monster. The kamikazes in Serious Sam lent some nice tension without being overly cruel, even if the sequences they were in were pretty stiff shooting galleries, and the fast headcrabs in HL2 were also good without also killing you when you finally nailed one with the shotgun. I forsee a revival of the original plan for the vomitus - a slow but deadly exploding monster that vomits out the small fast spawns that don't explode. (Isn't 'tarbaby' kind of a racial pejorative?) I've revived a version of the Vomitus that gobs zombie gibs and bursts into damaging gibs when it dies - kind of like a polyp, but has a bigger splat if gibbed with a rocket.
It was originally supposed to create spawns? Bloody hell. I like exploding tarbabies / spawn - although granted, for keyboarders they're probably not much fun. The name Tarbaby - kind of like Goomba's. And I reckon this thread is the place for heresey. There's a hipqc on quake's, but you have to search
http://www.gamers.org/pub/idgames2/idstuff/quake/ meanwhile, here you are... http://members.home.nl/gimli/HIPSPIKE.QC Cool:
Spawn (being well used these days) Vomitus Ogres Spike Mines Uncool: DOE Guardians (crappy, ugly, badly themed anti-Quake bollox) Jury's still out: Z-Axis Ogres or whatever the fuck they're called. I've downloaded the source now, but the qc that you looks to be the gremlin or fiend - odd.
The guardian - thats the egyptian enemy? always thought they were crap, tbh. And a bit gay. The Vomitus and Zombies are also z-aware, though I'm thinking to cap their max throw distance so they hit the ceiling less.
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