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#tf / Func_qmap BEEF Thread.
Inspired by Scampie who has more beef going than the average American "lite" breakfast =).

So let's have it out here...

Scampie vs. Xen

Scampie vs. ProdXL

Maj vs. ProdXL

(actually most people vs. ProdXL)

Wrath vs. Everyone

Grindspire vs. someone it seems

Me vs. Speedy occasionally

Mod-makers vs. well they just look like a right bunch of knobs anyway.

etc.
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Ha! 
If I felt shifting the backlash of my barrelgun in quake, I now was living in a country without a license! 
Ode To Spike 
I didn't point out the fragile progs.dat compatibility landscape in a personal way.

i.e. I wasn't raising red flags because it was your idea.

I was raising red flags because I have seen too many "Hey guys, here is my better progs.dat! It can't load all the existing single player maps because I didn't think about the corner cases and assemble a set of those --- and it can't load save games because I didn't think about that either --- but nevermind these things I didn't think about that will slowly come to light over the course of the next 18 months due to my incompetence, look how great it is!!!".

I pointed out the landmines because I have seen that tragedy before. I simply posted information, because watching re-runs of tragedies makes me want to bang my head.

Karl Marx: "All the great events in history happen twice. The first time it is a tragedy. The second time it is a farce."

Why not type a few words to prevent that?

So I did.

It wasn't personal. I myself like watching train wrecks, but I don't like them to happen in Quake because I think Quake is something unusually special.

/Anyway, without this beer I would have defaulted to "ignore" but I am thinking "convey information" is better choice. DAMN THE TOPREDOS --- SUBMIT!! OH WAIT -- I C 
All Of You Guys Must Be Young Or On Serious Vitality Pills 
20: I hate you and I will fucking kill you.
30: I dislike you greatly and I will make sure you know it.
40: You suck and I don't have the time or energy to tell you why or argue it.

I'm thinking 50 will be something like...

I need a fucking nap. 
 
Guess who can dish it out but can't take it?

http://i.imgur.com/b6N1ZdN.png 
 
You're really hoping I respond, huh? Fine, you get this one reply, cherish it forever.

You seem to think the worst criticism of me is that I'm not as interested in Quake as I used to be, that I might have other things going on in my life which keep me from mapping as much as I'd like, or that I support/work with my friends in our projects. Maybe you're trying to hurt me by saying this? But I can assure you, not only do I not give a fuck about your opinion, I also am completely at peace with my creative output, abilities, and my friendships.

And "Dish it out"? Who's the one writing multiple paragraphs of bile and personal attacks complete with screenshots because I told Skacky 'large start maps suck', and 8k brushes he copy pasted around is not that impressive and better served in his actual gameplay map? Skacky's a big boy mapper, he can take mild criticism and design advice... and where's negke's hate for saying the same thing first?

And who's always the one at the center of all the fucking drama of the last several years? This community has gotten really good at just ignoring you and letting you be a dickwad to everyone who even slightly disagrees or says different from you. Much of the old crew simply just stopped posting, it wasn't worth it, and I'm surprised anyone new even bothers.

Why are you even going to my twitter anyway, except to find some more ways to harrass someone? You unfollowed me years ago and I've had you muted for quite awhile because you have nothing of value to say. Blocking just seemed fitting after your outburst, and how you've been treating others anyway. Seems like it was the right choice given your obsessiveness.

I seriously hope someday you find some joy in life beyond sowing hate and discontent and that fills whatever hole inside that makes you such a toxic shit to everyone around you. Trust me when I say this, I've been there in the old days of always wanting to cause chaos for my own entertainment... from experience you are only hurting yourself in the long run when eventually you find yourself surrounded only by the idiots and assholes who will tolerate you. But you've got some extra obsessive viciousness in you, and have spent way too much time rotting your brain on 4chan. You're going to need professional help to get better in life. For your sake, please get it. And for this community's sake? fuck off. 
 
The difference between you and negke is that negke didn't come here to accuse me of dickwaving as you put it so well, and even if negke dislikes Knave he doesn't stir shit.

I'm taking some time to create an imposing start map because I think this jam warrants it, given how many participants there are and how impressive Kell's style is, and you just come here and say shit like this? What did I even do to warrant such hostility? I don't even know why I fucking bother doing this if I'm going to get reactions like that. This is the last time I'm doing something like this. You can make a better start map for the next jam if you like. 
As A Matter Of Fact. 
I was expecting a response, but not one this elaborate and sassy, so I'm glad you decided to not disappoint for a change.

And no, the worst criticism of you has to be the absolute hipocrisy which you displayed just now, which is shitting in the fan and then blaming the smell on somebody else. You came to the mapping jam and started to bring people's morale down by posting shite, despite being absolutely unprovoked. I declined to flame you back during my jam because I knew that would drive everybody off mapping (which, of course, was your desired effect from the get go), but obviously you could not resist from doing it again, for whatever reason.

Putting me as the center of all the drama hardly makes sense if you're the one who started it.

where's negke's hate for saying the same thing first?

negke was obviously wrong, but he was wrong in a way that didn't insult or patronise anybody. Again, not doing these is apparently impossible for you.

Why are you even going to my twitter anyway, except to find some more ways to harrass someone?

Because skacky blocked you and I was about to do the same.

Trust me when I say this, I've been there in the old days of always wanting to cause chaos for my own entertainment

I don't need you to trust you on this, because that's always been my impression of you ever since I started coming here about 10 years ago. It was nice to see you give it up and actually start contributing with something worthwhile, and it's sad that you went back to your old ways.

You're going to need professional help to get better in life. For your sake, please get it.

I see this is coming from a familiar place. Forgive me if I do not want to take advice regarding mental health from someone with such a rich history of self-importance, continuous power trips, and a hit list of people who left the community because of you.

And for this community's sake? fuck off.

At least you're honest about it now, unlike you were during the entire time of our acquaintance. I'm sure you were very disappointed to see your usual passive-aggressive tricks not do anything to me.

But no, for this community's sake I'll stay, I'll keep mapping and encouraging others to map despite you wanting the complete opposite. 
Sorry 
I meant to say "Simon", just to underline that deep and personal friendship between you two that us plebs can never hope to have, like you always do. 
Wow OTP. 
When i think you can't go lower, you still manage to.
Posting this info here? You are scum. 
 
I'm not posting anything that was leaked to me. 
 
It looks to me, people who are playing Quake,
do become one of their inhabitants in some way. 
 
Seems like #229 was removed for no real reason, despite not having any of the sensitive private info that is gleefully handed away by a certain former mapper.

TLDR Scampie you have not changed one iota since the first few posts of the thread, you're antagonising mappers for no reason, I'm blocking you from life GG. 
Otp Butthurt? 
seemso. 
BTW 
As OTP is a confirmed spammer now, can someone ban him already? 
Words Of Wisdom 
It looks to me, people who are playing Quake,
do become one of their inhabitants in some way.
 
 
It hurts, I know, but unlike some of you would like to believe OTP has actually done a fair bit for the community for the past few years. Organized two very successful jams for instance, and one of the driving forces behind the current Knave jam as well. I don't see why he should be banned. 
Yup. 
Don't ban TOR exit nodes and known proxy addresses, don't ban the Quetoo/nQuake spammer, ban me because I told Scampie off for speaking when he shouldn't have.

mfx I see your anger management is still as good as when you nearly broke your phone because your QuArK brushwork wouldn't compile. 
OTP 
i can end another unvise map to test, you wont notice til your brain is so slow. Ok? 
#229 
I hid this as spam on request from someone whose point I believed was valid, not ideal but the best I could do and I judged respecting the request to be more beneficial than having the full flow of scampie vs otp beef. I'm hoping metl will reinstate it in an edited version, or the full thing as he sees suitable.

Obviously otp should not be banned, I'm well aware of his support and encouragement of mapping events as well as sometimes well-targeted trolling. However I think he's gone too far sometimes recently and some of this thread might be an example of it. 
So Beef Thread Is On A Diet? 
 
This Thread Puts An Smile In My Face 
The kind of thing I'm having to deal with in life is…

Well, let's just say that most of the time I feel I'm not mature enough, not emotionally strong enough. And then I see some of the people who I admire behaving like this. It helps to put things in perspective.

But I still hope all of you are better than this. 
@mankrip 
Not unusual behavior for people who are obsessed with a 21 year-old videogame. :p 
 
un-flagged post 229. deleted the last paragraph. 
#229 
I didn't get to read the last paragraph before the edit; what did it say? 
 
Thanks metl, apologies for the trouble. 
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