Windows and OSX are merchandise, Linux is free. Complain about Linux in general like a costumer makes no sense, the same way people don't complain about Quakespasm. All of us users are part of it too. I believe that's what you see like "its always your fault" 

Windows 10 has way too many privacy and security issues, which along with Microsoft's apparent belief that they should own your computer, means that many people are sticking with Windows 7 (or even 8, lol).

Most people don't actually give a flying bollocks about this stuff. So far as most people are concerned an OS is just a means to an end. 

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If you're going to adopt that sort of viewpoint, then you also have to give up the notion that Linux is competition for the other desktop OS's. If it's untouchable because it's free, then there's no accountability for anything. Hence, "it's your fault". The majority of computer users don't have time for that. 

Most people don't actually give a flying bollocks about this stuff

This is true. The vast, vast majority of windows users don't know and don't care. Besides if you care about privacy in windows then you are also capable of googling how to disable the information sending, it's just options in the settings.

Personally I'm in the "I don't give a flying bollocks" camp. I mean I use facebook, and google products and don't exactly lose sleep over their data gathering abilities. 

Warren,

Yes, maybe some enterprise Red Hat desktop is competing. Maybe Ubuntu is competing because it's merchandise. But "Linux" is not competing. I'm not saying it's untouchable, though, just like stuff we do here. But it's not a supplier/consumer contract. 

Who the fuck cares? What is Google going to do with the information as to what I searched for 30 days ago? 

If it's untouchable because it's free, then there's no accountability for anything. Hence, "it's your fault". The majority of computer users don't have time for that.

This is totally true. To the typical Joe-End-User, a computer is a commodity electronic item, like thir microwave, their fridge or their VCR. They expect to be able to plug it in, switch it on, and press a few buttons to get what they want.

If it doesn't work first time, or if they need to do anything even quarter-way complicated to get it to work, and especially if they're told "it's your fault" to either of these, they'll just chuck it out and get a different one (or decide that they didn't want one at all to begin with).

Joe-End-User doesn't care that they're running Linux, or OS X, or Windows, or even fucking BeOS. Joe-End-User cares that they're getting email, or browsing the web, or watching movies. 

Yo otp, copy and paste your https://history.google.com/history/ for us if you don't give a fuck. 

For everyone complaining about Gimp - Krita seems to be a rather good alternative atm for image manipulation (even on windows!) for those who don't want to pay for Photoshop. 

I've heard Krita is good for painting/drawing but not so much for textures yet. 

Re gimp export dialog idiocy: https://github.com/akkana/gimp-plugins/blob/master/save-export-clean.py 

Pretty amazing. Jobs intoducing OS X, iTunes, the G4 powerbook, and some ordinary desktop hardware.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auXc0tgdJSo
"We appreciate the applause ... But you shouldn't be applauding Cause this is how it oughta work"
"There is a music revolution happenning right now."
"We want both. The power and the sex... totally new powerbook." 

I'll never use Windows as my main OS ever again. I started checking out Linux 20+ years ago and it's been my only OS for the last three years with Arch then now Manjaro Xfce. It just works for me and with way more than just 5 programs. I'm not that "guy" who sees it as the only OS, just my OS of choice. To each there own.


Just last week I switched my wife and son's PCs over to Windows 10 from 7 and I setup a dual boot partition on my own PC for those few Windows games I do play that currently won't work in WINE. It is Windows that "feels" a little like Linux, but with much more spying. Even if you turned off the visible spying options on setup or after at least one windows update reactivated those. There a few freeware tools you can download that will turn off 70+ spying type things from Windows 10, but I like Spybot's Anti Beacon the best. https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/




Krita can be useful for some texture work. I especially enjoy using it's wrap around view to see how it tiles as you work it, but use gimp mostly the little I do anything with textures. I was familiar with Photoshop long before gimp and that helped make gimp quick to pickup.


yadda yadda yadda... 

I remember it was a chore just to get the most recent version of flash so Firefox wouldn't block YouTube videos. 

"I remember it was a chore just to get the most recent version of flash so Firefox wouldn't block YouTube videos. "

Still somewhat of a problem on Mint. Firefox will start complaining and block Flash long before an update becomes available. Long being many many days sometimes. I just override the blockage and don't worry about it. Doesn't change the annoyance though. 

I use a Windows workstation at work. Windows is in our workstations, AD and Exchange. All the rest runs on Linux: database, internet and application servers, services running on virtual machines, etc.

This year, when I came back to Quake after 15 years and found this forum, I decided to use W7 at home for Worldcraft, Photoshop and Wally.

But I've been using Ubuntu since version 8, also Fedora and Mint. I had very few problems, less than using Windows. 

So much (but admittedly not all) is familiarity. I've been mostly on Linux (and a bit of OS X) for about 15 years and some things about Windows come across as really odd. 

 

Yay. I tried to compile Gimp 2.6 from source, but f that shit. GTK/glib/glib2/gegl dependancy hell, and after i got configure going, there was some legacy glib issues busting cc.

So just did some serious apt hacking.
which is probably not a good idea, but it worked :)

http://namakutux.blogspot.com.au/2014/05/how-to-install-gimp-2612-in-ubuntu-1404.html 

Is the number one reason I stuck with windows 7. Now there's Jackhammer...but I don't want to switch...too much hassle. 

How strange. Worldcraft on Windows 7 was the number one reason I switched to NetRadiant. 

Was the number one reason I stuck with Worldcraft. 

How bad is it??

Any issues with games?? Or with photo / video editors?? 

switched to it back in august, no problems at all. transition was smooth enough that all my icons, programs, etc were in their places and working as intended.
games work properly, i use photoshop and lightroom, they work ok as well. 

So, for months I just closed all the "upgrade to windows 10" reminder notifications that kept popping up on my PC.

Then last week, I left my computer idling for a bit, and then came back to find it was in the middle of installing Windows 10 without my permission, the cheeky cunts. I had no idea they would do that, but anyway I had let it finish.

Now here's the thing, everything still works, everything is where I left it, but it's true what they say - the operating system is literally spyware sending everything including your fucking keyboard presses (yes, no shit) to microsoft, if you just leave it in its default state.

It appears that you can turn all that shit off (which is what I did). I just googled "turn off windows 10 spying" and it led me to this video which seems pretty comprehensive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1kGMCfb2xw

Enjoy.