Changing The Skybox In Quoth
#215 posted by ericw on 2010/08/26 10:47:06
Cool trick: you can change the skybox while a map is running in most engines, via an info_command.
The command is "sky [skyname]" (works in Fitzquake, DirectQ, Quakespasm). Unfortunately Darkplaces uses a different name, "loadsky". I guess you could have a pair of info_commands with both commands, but then the player sees an "Unknown command" message for the one their engine doesn't recognize. :-/
This could be used for some neat effects. Maybe have a setting sun sky turn to night after spending some time indoors?
#216 posted by necros on 2010/08/26 19:07:41
This could be used for some neat effects. Maybe have a setting sun sky turn to night after spending some time indoors?
my lost map pack had this in there.
you can also string multiple console commands together like this:
sky void;loadsky void;fog 0 0 0 0\n
so there's no need to have multiple info_commands.
further, i think it's an undocumented feature, but if you set spawnflag 4, whatever commands are on that particular info_command will be run whenever the map is run or loaded from a save.
this stops the problem with fog/sky settings not being saved because they aren't in the worldspawn settings.
Ditto
#217 posted by Preach on 2010/08/26 20:05:58
This could be used for some neat effects. Maybe have a setting sun sky turn to night after spending some time indoors?
We did this in Travail too! We had to cheat a bit for people with older engines though by covering the sky with a non-solid black brush.
Chthon Style
#218 posted by negke on 2010/11/20 22:40:08
Looking for a replacement teleportation effect (as spawn_tfog can't be used anywhere else than 0 0 0 - or so it seems), I came across two more things Chthon allows us to do. They are quite obvious, but I'm posting them just for the record.
Lava splash: Target an info_notnull entity with a "use" "boss_death2" field.
This might be useful for spawning a powerful monster or when lowering a platform into a lava pool. The downside is that this will increase the kill stats by 1, but it should be okay since it evens out the max count.
Meteor shower: An info_notnull with "use" "boss_missle1".
This will start an infite attack of lava balls from a fixed position aimed at the player - for an environmental hazard with a little more kick. Each missle will play Chthon's throwing sound, but that shouldn't be a problem, especially if the entity is high above or in some distance. To stop it, simply killtarget the entity.
Needless to say, a monster_boss has to be placed somewhere in the map for precaching.
Correction About The Lava Splash
#219 posted by negke on 2010/11/23 17:01:18
Use "boss_death9" instead for a more immediate effect, and killtarget the entity 0.1 seconds later to keep it from raising the kills count.
Despawning Items At Start Of Map
Using the triggered respawn of items to repopulate arenas with items, but this is after the player has picked it up. Is there a way to despawn an item, so it only appears in the arena for a particular wave?
#221 posted by negke on 2011/01/23 20:34:01
Since you're using Quoth, the spawndelay feature (or however it's called) should suit your needs.
#222 posted by necros on 2011/01/24 00:19:16
sounds like he's asking to both add and then remove an item during play.
so you'll need to make your item spawn in and then, you should killtarget them to remove them when their time is up.
It's not a massive problem. I can make little cages around the item, it's the problem of a fight taking some time to get going.
Feels crap to take it and lose half the time as you wait for the fight to ramp up, and I thought it would be neater to have an empty arena and just drop the powerups in as the particularly nasty monsters start flooding in :)
I guess the cage thing also has the advantage that they'd probably hear it better.
Another way round it would be increasing the duration of the powerup, so they just take it and don't have to worry about them missing the respawn. I guess that'll require code editing though :E
Not Necessarily.
#224 posted by necros on 2011/01/24 02:19:11
you could create a variant of the trick i used in ne_tower with getting a quad damage after killing the two death lords.
create a number of of empty rooms with the powerup of your choice in them.
in each room, put a teleport destination on top of the powerups, but make sure the teleport destination is part way into the floor or ceiling so that the player won't fit when they teleport.
now, create a huge trigger_teleport that corresponds to each of the destinations and give them all targetnames.
what you'll do is start off a long train of teleports with delays after picking up the first powerup.
sure give each relay a delay of 30.
give all those trigger_teleports a targetname2 that is the same.
so you pick up the first powerup. that triggers a relay that will trigger the teleport trigger 30 seconds later that teleports you into the first room where you get a new powerup. the engine then pops you back to the old spot because you don't fit in the room. that new powerup starts another relay that, 30 seconds later, will teleport you into the next room. etc etc.
finally, when you kill the boss or whatever, killtarget all the trigger_teleports from the targetname2 which will remove them all and stop the chain.
Negke Re 218 Above
#226 posted by Mike Woodham on 2011/03/13 16:00:45
What determines the fixed point of the meteor shower - it is not the position of the not_null? It appears to be 0, 0, 0
Also...
#227 posted by Mike Woodham on 2011/03/13 16:01:58
... what is the purpose of the '1' in 'boss_missile1'?
#228 posted by necros on 2011/03/13 19:02:03
boss_missile1 is actually chthon's animation (not the missile spawning function).
his attack animation is looped, unlike all other monsters. this is why he just starts firing and never stops.
the lavaballs SHOULD spawn relative to the origin of whatever entity you use.
specifically, one should spawn at 100 units forward, 100 units right and 200 up, relative to the origin and the other 100 units to the left.
Necros
#229 posted by Mike Woodham on 2011/03/13 20:04:36
Oh, I didn't think about that.
However, it ignores the origin of the info_notnull and works off 0, 0, 0. Also in practice, it doesn't look right as the source of the lava balls moves i.e. they do not emanate from a fixed point as the player moves, due to the position of the boss (arms) being recalculated.
Changing "use" to "boss_missile" does have the lava balls coming from a fixed point but it is impossible to survive the onslaught.
If you could trigger it on/off and slow it down, it could be a good anti-player device.
Try This
#230 posted by necros on 2011/03/13 20:21:21
make info_notnull with 'use' 'boss_missile' and 'targetname' 'meteor'
now make a trigger_relay:
'targetname' 'meteor'
'target' 'meteor'
'delay' '1'
should now loop infinitely every second and shoot.
make multiple relays and start them at different times to stagger missile launches for a more natural effect.
if you have access to multiple targetnames, you can give a 'targetname2' that's unique to the relay allowing you to turn it off again without killing all the launchers as well.
Note
#231 posted by necros on 2011/03/13 20:22:40
make sure 'delay' is set in the relay otherwise the engine will crash wtih an infinite loop error.
Necros
#232 posted by Mike Woodham on 2011/03/13 21:46:58
Just playing with it now and using a trigger_multiple with "wait" set at one second. Three problems:-
1. almost instant death (100 - 120 hit points)
2. the first lavaball does not go anywhere, it just hovers until it disappears (subsequent balls do head for the player)
3. regardless of the position of the info_notnull, the source of the lavaball definitely remains at 0, 0, 0.
So although the position of the not_null is created in the map file, the code for the boss_missile ignores it and uses 0, 0, 0.
Pity, it seemed to have potential as a boss fight - e.g. carry out some task to turn the weapon off whilst whilst avoiding the lavaballs
Hm
#233 posted by necros on 2011/03/13 21:55:00
you're doing something wrong then. maybe your info_notnull has brushes?
bmodels have origin of '0 0 0' at map start.
the code can't ignore the origin as it's explicitly used when spawning the missile with this line:
org = self.origin + p_x*v_forward + p_y*v_right + p_z*'0 0 1';
#234 posted by necros on 2011/03/13 21:57:39
does "ShalMissile" work? it's homing, but a lot less damage.
Aha!
#235 posted by Mike Woodham on 2011/03/13 22:30:36
So this is one of those pointsize entities eh?
I have just checked the Entity.qc file and for some reason both 'notnulls' are wrong:-
/*QUAKED info_notnull (0 0.5 0) ?
/*QUAKED info_notnull2 (0 0.5 0) ?
should be:-
/*QUAKED info_notnull (0 0.5 0) (-4 -4 -4) (4 4 4)
/*QUAKED info_notnull2 (0 0.5 0) (-4 -4 -4) (4 4 4)
Just shows how often I use the info_notnull tricks.
Thanks, I'll look at this a bit more know.
#236 posted by necros on 2011/03/14 04:08:17
there are times when the info_notnull requires a brush to work. maybe you changed it to do one trick?
#237 posted by Mike Woodham on 2011/03/14 17:01:24
Yes, possibly. Fourteen years of intermittent mapping... oh my word, is it really that long?
Necros
#238 posted by Mike Woodham on 2011/03/16 14:07:35
You were right. I used it as a special trigger where it was in a frequently used cross roads but must not be activated as a trigger until certain other events had taken place, hence the need for a brush.
It pays to keep notes even if they take days to sort through!
Necros
#239 posted by Mike Woodham on 2011/03/20 21:39:50
I have tidied up the ents.qc so everything is now as it should be within the editor: info_notnull is the point-size entity and info_notnull2 is the brush-size one.
I have also been playing with several 'missiles' and seem to have two distinct scenarios. The boss_missile works as you would expect with the player being bombarded with the lava balls. However, ShalMissile and LaunchLaser both go from the not_null origin to 0 0 0.
What is it that allows the boss_missile do do what we want but stops the other two from doing it. It seems as though boss_missile has the player as its 'enemy' all the time as it reacts as the player moves but the others are fixed. Is this something to do with what the 'activator' is? Are we able to do anything about this from the editor?
Incidentally, the LaunchLaser gives a great effect even like this - if you have the not_null close to 0 0 0 and operate the entity via a trigger_multiple, you have a build-up of an intense orange yellow glow that fades in to maximum and then fades out to nothing when you move out of the trigger's area. Looks neat and I am sure it could be used somehow.
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