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I thought a trio of themed threads about other entertainment media might be good. If you're not interested, please just ignore the thread and pick some threads that interest you from here: http://celephais.net/board/view_all_threads.php
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Till That Dumb Last Act
#2341 posted by nitin on 2008/05/24 02:11:26
its quite good isnt it, even though it rips the 3 big sci fi movies at every turn (Alien, 2001, Solaris).
And Since I'm Here
#2342 posted by nitin on 2008/05/24 02:16:50
Do the Right Thing (1989) - pretty entertaining and amusing film from Spike Lee which centres on racial tensions in some Brooklyn suburb but works mainly because the characters and their interactions are interesting and because its visually inventive.
I don�t think its all that successful on a serious level, especially the last act, which seems not that well thought through. Still, kept me entertained throughout, john turturro and danny aiello are especially good value.
6.5-7/10
Tell No One (2006) - extremely disappointing french mystery/drama/thriller that is just plain silly, relies almost entirely on its plot (which is not very good) and is just poorly made.
Francois Cluzet plays a man who was the number one suspect in his wife's death and becomes the number one suspect again when similar deaths start happening 8 years later around the same place his wife was killed.
By the end, the plot folds back on itself so many times that you stop caring what little you did about the paper thin characters.
Having said all of that, I'm sure there will be an english remake at some point.
3.5-4/10
The Orphanage (2007) - its not only the americans who are currently highly unoriginal and derivative in the horror/thriller genre. This recent spanish offering, produced by Guillermo del Toro, borrows heavily from not only other recent spanish based movies in the genre (eg The Devil's Backbone, Pan's Labyrinth and The Others) but also from the recent asian horror wave (eg The Ring and Dark Water).
First time director Juan Antonio Bayone lacks the directorial skill of his producer and has no sense of storytelling and a very sloppy shooting style. Only the ending is well executed and even that, despite the good execution, does not deliver because its telegraphed far too early.
5/10
I Walked With a Zombie (1943) - firstly, quite possibly the worst title ever for what is actually a good film. Secondly, there is a kind of demented brilliance in taking the basic plot of Jane Eyre, transposing it to the Caribbean and mixing it with a bit of voodoo. The result is an impressive gothic drama made by Jacques Tourneur and produced by Val Lewton.
Tourneur was a master of using shadows and had a keen sense of ambience, atmosphere and otherworldly eeriness. He uses all those elements to make an ambiguous, interesting film that is quite entertaining.
7/10
Also, I believe the makers of the Saw movies are remaking this in the near future. Given what they have made so far, I'm sure the classiness will be replaced by an all out gorefest.
Sweeney Todd - I dont like musicals generally. My main issues with most musicals is that the songs don�t add to and break up the narrative too much and most of the musicals I like avoid this by integrating the songs into the narrative.
This one still has a few songs that seem fluffy but in general I had no problems. It also helps that the execution is of a very high standard and the lyrics and music are first rate too.
As for the rest of it, its one of Burton's most assured works and another of Depp's terrific performances (not that its Depp alone that works, Helena Bonham Carter and Alan Rickman are also excellent).
7.5/10
Cloverfield
#2343 posted by than on 2008/05/24 16:07:39
I think the cameraman was a bit of a psycho. There was one section in particular where
[SPOILER]
they have to climb across from one apartment building into one that has fallen onto it. They are a few hundred feet up and the guy decides to turn off the camera as he climbs across the roof because it looks far to risky... only he turns it back on moments later whilst still not quite across the roof and with a bit of climbing to do. What a fucktard.
Also, what the hell happened to the monster at the end? It killed that guy and then it seemed to vanish and let the others escape. Maybe I passed out from fright and missed it?
[/SPOILER]
I enjoyed it though. Definitely go see it at the cinema I reckon... might be a bit late though.
#2344 posted by JneeraZ on 2008/05/24 17:23:35
I think they were still dealing with the monster at the end.
Spoiler
#2345 posted by nitin on 2008/05/25 02:02:22
last sound clip is "It's Alive".
#2346 posted by nitin on 2008/05/26 13:21:32
saw a number of things over (my) long weekend, Friday inadvertently turned into zombie movie day :
Planet Terror (2007) - this is more like it, Robert Rodriguez's effort for the Grindhouse double is heaps better than Tarantino's Death Proof. Much more fun, much more extreme and more in line with the sleazy B movies they were trying to emulate.
7/10
28 Weeks Later (2007) - much better than its predecessor 28 Days Later, mainly because it doesn�t self destruct with a lame last act. Juan Carlos Fresnadillo's movie is tenser, directed far more tautly and manages to incorporate social commentary without beating you over the head with it. There is a couple of moments of dubious plotting but they are overshadowed by the terrifically mounted suspense moments, of which there are many.
7-7.5/10
30 Days of Night (2007) - good premise, bad film. It reaches levels of stupidity that are just hard to fathom. The only good thing it does is make a great case for never ever combining quick cutting/hand held cameras with open shutter photography. I'm sure the intention was to make the action look more exciting, instead its all just a blurry, sped up mess.
3/10
I am Legend (2007) - did they even have a script for this film? There is zero narrative flow in this, absolutely terrible. And where did all the money go? The CGI is atrocious. Total rubbish.
2/10
Blast of Silence (1963) - rough, experimental and tedious noir film from Allen Barron that is aiming to be gritty, existential and bleak. The basic plot of following around a lone hitman preparing for his latest hit was done much better by Jean Pierre Melville in his classic film starring Alain Delon, Le Samourai. This one has a couple of nice bits, mainly with well written side characters, but is pretty average otherwise.
5.5/10
Stardust (2007) - quite enjoyable tongue in cheek fantasy adventure in the same vein as The Princess Bride, but I enjoyed this a lot more than that one. It zips along and never drags and while it never really takes off to any great heights, it's quite entertaining for most its duration.
7/110
Death of a Cyclist (1955) - Juan Antonio Bardem's great film takes the small incident of an adulterous couple running over a cyclist and uses it to comment on everything from the spanish civil war, the moral decay of society and the fickleness of relationships. And it does all that while still managing to tighten the screws in a Hitchcockian fashion so that the narrative isnt put aside. Theres also a very noticeable F Scott Fitzgerald feel to the world portrayed in the movie which is interesting if you like The Great Gatsby.
8/10
Beowulf (2007) - on the right track, its about time there was an adult orientated animated film. The execution's not quite there, I havent read the source material but you can tell it�s a great story with interesting themes, not all of which are explored here due to the breezy running time. Still, it's a fairly entertaining movie, albeit a light one, that is much better than the trailers suggested and with some excellently orchestrated action and drama scenes in the second half.
6/10
AvP2: Requiem
#2347 posted by RickyT33 on 2008/05/28 17:51:46
Watched this for the second time the other night, the first time I was in a cinema but I was too close to the screen to really do anything other than crane my neck and I couldnt see the movie properly.
I like the film for a few things: it's pretty gruesome, er, the special effects aren't too bad...
Meh. Nope, running out of things I liked about it.
I just think that they skimped out on script (again) and character development. And the monster FX seemed forced. The gory parts were often cut. I prefer the movies from the eighties. The effects are cooler and more believeable because they ARENT done with computers. Robocop, Terminator, Aliens (OK some FX are computers, but mostly just fine set-pieces, good acting and clever screen-play as well as cool props) all were cool.
I dont like so much this shiny over polished computer effects approach we have to movies like that these days. They're just not gritty and dark enough. I dont know...
And
#2348 posted by nitin on 2008/05/29 01:07:33
the fact that you can see whats going on, whereas the AVP movies (alon with most other recent stuff) are edited at 10 cuts a second with next to no lighting.
#2349 posted by nitin on 2008/05/29 12:20:11
Rocky Balboa - pretty solid till it builds up to a silly climax fight which is very poorly executed. Apart from that, the writing and performances are quite good (save a few monologues which don�t sit well with Stallone's speech impediment).
6/10
Un Secret (2007) � well made movie about a boy in a jewish family in post-war france who learns about his family's past during the war and is forced to deal with the consequences. The story is told in a sequence of flashbacks, flash forwards and dream sequences which, though not hard to follow, do not seem to enhance the audience connection with the central characters.
The story is definitely its strongest point, and even a weak ending which probably worked better in book book form cannot derail it.
7/10
Harry Potter 5 : Better than the last one but still not very good - that pretty much says it all. Standard Potter flick which means there is the usual dodgy acting and scripting, some reasonable visuals and set pieces, but nothing that stays with you once the credits roll.
5.5/10
#2350 posted by nitin on 2008/06/10 10:56:00
Elizabeth : Golden Age - since I was one of the few who thought the first was a pretty poor film, I didn�t have much expectations with this one. And yet it still managed to disappoint.
Its been bagged for being historically inaccurate, but the first one seemed to escape that criticism despite having the same shortcomings. The real problem is that the script is just plain bad almost plays out like a parody of a film like this, the direction is an absolute mess and only Samantha Morton is on the right page as to what sort of tone her performance should be in.
Cate Blanchett puts in probably one of the worst performances that�s ever been nominated for an oscar, abbie cornish is in way beyond her head and clive owen is ok in what is really a thankless role.
3-3.5/10
Fearless (2006) - fairly simplistic morality tale in the form of chinese martial arts period epic, but it works because jet li is amazing in the fight sequences (which are also very well choreographed) and ronnie yu directs well with a restrained style during the non-action moments that allows some of the corny bits to not really come through as badly as they might. There's also some great location photography of southern china which also gives it visual edge.
6/10
Cat People (1944) - classy old school thriller/drama by the Jacques Tourneur/Val Lewton combination that once again had its title greenlit before the script. Tourneur, as usual, does wonders with the camera for his material, utlizing light and shadow brilliantly in two very famous sequences that have been often imitated. The script is also very very good and far from the b movie you expect from the title.
Only some of the dodgy acting holds it back from being a great film.
7.5/10
Devils Advocate (1997) - this was pretty solid for close to two hours despite having keanu reeeves in a main role, some dubious plotting and shameless borrowing from Rosemary's Baby (and also one sequence lifted straight from Marathon Man).
Then it self implodes with an ending that just comes across as the scriptwriters not knowing where to go and ending up turning to pacino for another one of his long recent year rants. Which is a shame because up until then I thought he was actually pretty decent in a restrained yet oddly sinister performance.
6/10
Spider (2002) - excellent film about a fractured mind. Usually in a movie like this, it is difficult to get audiences to connect with the main character. Enter David Cronenberg, who takes you so far into his character's head that you cant help but nod at everything the character says and does.
This approach will probably put off a few people because through it the movie enters some dark and uncomfortable territory but its an unarguable display of great filmmaking skill and writing. Cronenberg is aided by fantastic performances from Ralph Fiennes, playing a mentally impaired man grappling with his past as a child, and Miranda Richardson, playing key roles that shouldn�t be given away.
7-7.5/10
Funny Games (1997) - tries to have its cake and eat it too, and almost succeeds. Michael Haneke's effort has a go at the audience for treating violence as entertainment but presents a catch 22 situation by making a disturbing, confronting movie that is also just very compelling to watch. The quality of the filmmaking is too good for the attempt to talk down to the viewer in having a part in whats happening on screen.
Its also been remade (shot for shot) by Haneke for US release.
6.5/10
#2351 posted by nitin on 2008/06/15 02:28:34
Coup de Torchon (1981) - dark french comedy/drama by bertand tavernier set in french owned west africa in the 30's. Phillipe Noiret plays a small town's ineffectual local constable, who accepts condescension from his superiors and from other rich french occupants until he realizes that he can use his position to gain vengeance with impunity, resulting in him starting to kill everyone who previously regarded him as a fool.
Its excellent, slow burn stuff with Noiret quite effective in the main role and getting good support from Isabelle Huppert and Stehpane Audran. Tavernier juggles the different tones of his movie quite well, changing from light hearted mundaneness to outright bleakness to existential dilemma with ease.
The movie also has a neat circular narrative, opening and closing with a similar scene, but with markedly different meaning which effectively highlights the change in the main character over the course of the film.
7.5/10
The Devil is a Woman (1936) - fun little movie from the Josef Von Sternberg/Marlene Dietrich collaboration that is not amongst their best work together but is still reasonably entertaining throughout. Dietrich plays her usual unattainable vamp character but is also, as usual, quite a screen presence and she carries the lightweight script along with Von Sternberg's great visual skill.
6.5/10
Drunken Angel (1948) - the best thing about Kurosawa is that even his more minor films are streets ahead of what most other filmmakers can produce and that is certainly the case here. This one is nowhere near his best work, it has a few narrative problems with distracting subplots and Toshiro Mifune is not as convincing as he would become in his later collaborations with the director, but as a whole, its still quite an excellent movie.
Takeshi Shimura plays an alcoholic small town doctor in post war Japan who starts to treat a young Yakuza (mifune) with TB and realises he wants to cure more than just his physical sickness. What follows is a borderline great look at Shimura's character's success and failings and how he deals with each.
Even in an early work such as this, you can see numerous flashes of the brilliance that would follow, and that combined with Shimura's performance raises it to quite a watchable level.
7-7.5/10
The Banquet (2006) - a very loose adaptation of Hamlet in the wuxia style seen in recent times in Hero, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, House of Flying Daggers and Curse of the Golden Flower. I liked 3 of those and House still had its moments despite being shoddy overall.
This one, unfortunately, is just lame. As far as its source material is concerned, it deviates so far from it that it should not even have called itself an adaptation. Its an overlong, tedious affair with no characters that are anything more than cardboard cutouts and amalgamations of various shakespeare figures (eg Zhang Ziyi plays some sort of strange cross between Gertrude, Lacy Macbeth and Ophelia).
This leaves a capable cast with nothing to do except wear the intricate costumes and parade around the impressive sets. Even the fight choreography is average, some smaller scenes coming off pretty well but the larger more complex ones just being a mess of slow motion wirework.
4.5/10
Suddenly Last Summer (1959) - pretty good adpatation of Tenessee Williams' play by Joseph L Mankiewicz, the material comes across better than in something like Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. Elizabeth Taylor and Katherine Hepburn put in strong performances and although the whole thing is very stagey, Mankiewicz does enough visually to draw attention away from it.
Quite a strong script plot and dialogue wise, although most of it probably came from the source material.
7-7.5/10
And2 More
#2352 posted by nitin on 2008/06/15 02:28:48
Indiana Jones 4 - it's good. Not as good as 1 and 3, but much better than 2. Shia le Bouf was surprisingly fine but the main reason it works is Harrison Ford. He slips back into character easily and the whole thing's a fun ride with nods and winks to a lot of 50's films, even if it's a little too preposterous compared to the earlier films. The action scenes are mostly first rate.
7/10
Bug (2006) - I'd read this was a return to form for William Friedkin which understandably, and anyone that's seen The French Connection and The Exorcist would agree, had me looking forward to it.
Well it is and it isnt. It is in the sense that his adaptation of the 1996 play about two people feeding off and fueling each other's acute paranoia is suitably tense and foreboding and has very good performances from Ashley Judd and Michael Shannon (reprising his stage role). It isnt in that the source material just doesn�t appear to lend itself to film at all.
Due to the nature of the material, the whole thing heads into a frenzied and hysterical state for its last half an hour and requires a distance between the happenings and the viewer to not appear extremely over the top. This is obviously possible on stage but unfortunately on film the lack of distance between the happenings and the camera/viewer causes unintentional disconnect and believability.
4/10
#2353 posted by nitin on 2008/06/19 11:12:25
Prince of the City (1981) - the last of Sidney Lumet's great films and although it covers similar ground to Serpico, the execution is completely different. The screenplay is a model of how to tell an intricate, complex story containing a lot of information without overloading the audience through ceaseless exposition. It has its flaws, the movie lacks Lumet's usual economy and overstays its welcome at 168 min but it's quite forgivable given the other fine qualities on display.
7.5-8/10
The Barefoot Contessa (1954) - bit of a mess narrative wise, it doesn�t seem to know whether it�s a Sunset Boulevarde lite attack on Hollywood or a less fantastical version of the Cinderella story. But Joseph L Mankiewicz writes good dialogue and Bogart and Ava Gardner lap it up in entertaining performances. It's also brilliantly shot by Jack Cardiff.
6/10
Lifeboat (1944) - unfortunately its more a WWII propaganda movie than a Hitchcock film. The premise is based on John Steinbeck's story of a ship sunk by a U-Boat and before you can say 'microcosm of society' a variety of different sorts of survivors gather on a lifeboat (with one of them possibly being the captain of the U-Boat that sank them). Its technically brilliant, Hitchcock makes great use of the limited space, but despite his attempts to breathe life into it, it never once veers of a very predictable path.
5.5/10
Crash (2004) - I had only seen certain (terrible) scenes before but, well, as a whole movie, it's actually not all that bad. In fact, it's probably in the decent category. The problem as usual is with Haggis' script which is way too heavy handed and contrived for the most part. But there's definitely some good bits, mainly due to the uniformly solid acting, that make up for some of the truly awful scenes that go way overboard in attempting to manipulate the viewer.
6.5/10
Suzhou River (2001) - sort of like a homage to Vertigo done in a Wong Kar Wai style. It's definitely interesting with most of the movie shown from the point of view of or narrated by a never shown character who seems to blend a story he read about in the newspapers about the death of a young girl (who sort of looks like his new girlfriend) and what may have actually happened. Solid stuff but I didn�t like the ending which rang a bit hollow and was a bit of a stretch credibility wise too.
6,5/10
Monster (2003) - above average film with an excellent performance from Charlize Theron. The filmmaking is a bit sloppy and amateurish, as is some of the writing, but Theron makes almost every scene work with a very layered and subtle performance that avoids scenery chewing and makes you understand her character to an extent even when you don�t agree with her actions.
6-6.5/10
The Brood (1979) - his most recent work aside, its difficult to properly describe the plot of a David Cronenberg movie without sounding like you're making it up. But in short this one's a bizarre, twisted, sometimes brilliant look at the idea of manifestation of negative emotion (rage/pain) in physical abnormalities.
Certain scenes have not aged well due to their execution being a bit amateurish but others are still quite capable of messing with and sticking in your head. And that�s really what being a horror movie is all about.
7/10
Hotel Rwanda (2004) - this is going to sound harsh because it's a story that definitely deserved to be told and Don Cheadle is great in the main role, but unfortunately this is just a bad film.
Writer/director Terry George has no idea about narrative, pacing or characterisation so the whole things is barely held together by Cheadle's excellent performance and the general power of the story.
4/10
I Just Thought I'd Mention
#2354 posted by Tronyn on 2008/06/19 11:36:42
that I'm really enjoying this decade's take on things vaguely Western... Deadwood, The Proposition, Carnivale, The Assassination of Jesse James, There Will Be Blood, No Country for Old Men, 310 to Yuma, and there's still a few coming up too. I could never get into old westerns because of the good guy/bad guy cheesiness of it, but historical settings, sinister atmospheres, and R ratings go well together.
Saw Bug a while ago for lack of something better to rent - not that good, but the main actor's paranoia was pretty amusing, with his rants about the CIA and so forth. Like when he brings up the "sound card" thing - I laughed at that.
Tronyn
#2355 posted by nitin on 2008/06/19 11:51:01
an older western that would fit well with those you listed is the The Wild Bunch (my favorite western).
As for more recent stuff, also check out The Three Burials of Melquaides Estrada (2005).
Nitin
I never saw Hotel Rwanda, because I watched "Sometimes in April" on the Berlinale a few month before Hotel Rwanda came out. April deals with the same topic, but from what I hear it does it in a much better way than Hotel Rwanda did.
It's very intense and saddening. I remember looking around me when the credits were rolling in the Berlinale Palast (huge beautiful cinema where all Berlinale films are premiered) and almost everyone had tears in their eyes. AFAIK some of the african actors lived in Rwanda during the Genocide, so I guess that made their performances so very good.
I suggest you check it out if you are interested in this particular topic. But be warned, this movie stayed with me for a couple of days, and it really affected me.
Sleepy
#2357 posted by nitin on 2008/06/19 11:56:10
yep seen it, which is probably why I was harsher on this. Its pretty heavy going like you say but considering the topic you pretty much know you're not in for anything light from the start. But it's pretty powerful stuff which sticks around in your head for sure.
Hotel goes more for a Schindler's List approach narrative wise, but at the very least Schindler's was a real film using the many options of cinema rather than just telling a story in a very unoriginal, closed and sloppy manner.
I See
Well, it's a shame considering that April was the better movie that Hotel got so much media attention.
Well It Was In English
#2359 posted by nitin on 2008/06/19 16:59:27
and by Hollywood :)
Its also a shame that such a bad film features one of the best recent performances out of Hollywood.
Hm
#2360 posted by megaman on 2008/06/26 12:14:47
First try, a friend and me and a camera.
http://haukerehfeld.de/misc/film/Testing1.avi (20 mb)
What's Wrong With MPEGs?!
#2361 posted by RickyT33 on 2008/06/26 12:22:31
Nice Camera Work
#2362 posted by RickyT33 on 2008/06/26 12:39:51
but seriously dude, 20Mb for 8 seconds of footage of a dude running down a corridor? You really should have converted that to MPEG before uploading it!
Interesting camera work though! Good action feel to it I guess, or something....
Well
#2363 posted by megaman on 2008/06/26 12:44:18
it's just a test rendering, i figured i wouldn't waste any time on it. and it's already compressed ;)
Glad you like it =D
Megaman
#2364 posted by Spirit on 2008/06/26 15:56:14
Try xvid or AVC/H264. Also deinterlace (if it's meant for computer monitors)!
And for the love of god compress the audio with mp3. ;)
Try H264 (x264) with 2 pass, average bitrate of 1000kbps and joint-stereo abr mp3 ~128kbps. That results in 1/10th the size and on-par quality (you might need to tweak a bit for the colors though).
Dark Night Review
#2365 posted by HeadThump on 2008/06/27 19:00:06
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