like team fortress did... just make the comic strip textures and then make a demo where the guy strafes past them from left to right, even include sound and ominous music!

I was disappointed lost chapters didn't have demo1.dem. 

can we decide this once and for all? I'm at the point where I can start adding gameplay elements to my map but am unsure how to proceed cos I dunno what we are using!

Its problems like this thats gonna kill the map pack so lets sort it!

1) Use Quoth.

2) Get a coder and use our own progs based on what we want (flashlight, mega-enforcer, new grunts etc).

3) Use standard Quake.

4) ??? 

1 + 2? 

+ 2 if really necessary. 

1 or 3.

Makes it so much easier for coop over internet. 

1 could be nice! 

errr 1 or 2 headtrump could help us! he already said that! 

I'd like to work a bit more on Quoth, to bugfix, tie up loose ends and also add some base-oriented material that we didn't have time for last release. The other two enforcer reskins, forcefields, breakables and whatnot.

I've emailed necros but haven't recieved a reply yet.

If he doesn't want or isn't able to work on Quoth anymore, but I get the most recent source code, I'd be looking for a competent qc person to collaborate with.

Would this be worth pursuing for the base pack? 

i think might be kell, i think almost everybody want to work with Quoth u guys did a great job! 

that sounds great man! I'd definately be interested in that. 

I vote 1. Quoth.

However, I would LOVE to see some kind of heavy weapons guy enemy added. I could probably knock something up at home, but I only have max 7 and maya 6.5 and no proper exporters. I also hate gmax and don't want to use that.

What do you reckon about a new base enemy, Kell (as in, original model based on the existing guys). I'm thinking of a fat enforcer with a chaingun (nailgun/chainshotgun) with a caved in face mask. Perhaps also a grenade attack of some kind, but it probably isn't worth it in Quoth, because there is alsready an enforcer who fires grenades. 

I had a concept for a large bbox base-themed monster, to go along with bob as a base-themed flying monster. His name is Edie ( ED13 ).

Originally I was just gonna scale Armagon down by half in each axis and reskin him a bit, but necros and I were confident enough after the gug etc. that we thought of making him from scratch.
He would basically be a cyborg ogre, recognisable as such from the waist up, with Armagon-type legs below. His ranged attack would be some sort of meaty gun, though a chaingun = powerful hitscan, and it's better to make Quake weapons - especially upper bestiary ones - projectile instead. His melee attack would be a large circular saw, essentially a larger version of the ogre chainsaw.

However, making a new monster from scratch is not a simple task. Sculpting the mesh is rather laborious in qME, but the real work comes with the skinning and animating. The time it would take to do justice to this sort of monster is probably as much time as will take to map for the pack :/

I don't think a 'fat enforcer' is different enough to justify the effort of a whole new model. Also, if it's a heavy-weapons enforcer type you want, that's essentially what the blue enforcer reskin - currently dubbed monster_eliminator - would be. He would fire plasma of the same type, thought not neccessarily the same power, as the Quoth PG. He would also be immune to the player's PG.

The yellow enforcer reskin would wield a flamethrower. 

God that would be insanely wonderful if you did that, Kell. I mean, I'm a big fan of tying things up in general, and Quoth is already so wonderful... Could you add breakable walls? I know it's a wierd thing to get worked up about, but there it is... 

kell LTH monster�s are also very good! i like a lot the heaby guys i think LTH dont mind if u or any other could change then a litle i got is msn i can talk with him! the green and red enforcer are quite nice! with some modificacion could be better! 

could be fun if he has a "spin up time" with an audiable cue, like the shamblers lightning has a visual cue etc... should work fine, then if you made him keep firing in the direction of the player even when he is out of view (but only for a short time) and couple that with breakable pillars and cover = fun.

Or maybe I watch too much matrix... :D

I like both ideas for HWG anyway 

This is getting better and better, and the HWG would be a nice addition to the given base baddies set. 

my map is progressing normaly now again... "start working again" :) hehehe 

planning on doing a bit of something this weekend because my wrists aren't so bad now and I can probably risk doing a bit of mapping. Even though I am working on two other non-base maps, I still fancy making a start on my base map or something.

Yeah, and I was just bumping this thread back up before it vanishes into the archives. 

u map very good than and u fast but live your life :) dont waste to many time in mapping!!! :) life is to short... 

don't listen to him, he's crazy!

please go waste your life with mapping! sure, your wrists might become totally fucked and you'll end up like meathook, but that's worth risking for a kickass base map!

on another note, why not do a small base map and release it along with your other two maps as a mini-campaign? ;) 

http://daz.quaddicted.com/

Got a few indoor areas done, few bits still need work and I need to make hi-res versions of some custom textures, but so far so good :) 

Looking better and better, you! 

yes map is realy looking nice :\ omg just mine suck :(

http://trinca.do.sapo.pt/joequake014.jpg
http://trinca.do.sapo.pt/joequake015.jpg

errr my map will be the worse again :( chif :\ 

Don't be to harsh with yourself: you really made impressive progress since your first map.. Really ! Your shots are nice as well ! 

errrr JPL sm109 wasn�t a map :) just some walls droped everywere!!!