I know that we have to have capitalism, and that it's completely unreasonable to have class warfare.

Of all posts on func, your's is now number one in the category of "stuff I completely disagree with." :)
http://www.zmag.org/parecon/pelac.htm (notice the "free book" part)
"anarchism simplified": http://question-everything.mahost.org/Socio-Politics/BasicAnarchy.html
another: http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/interviews/9612-anarchism.html
"Criticisms of Capitalism": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_Capitalism

IMO, one of the most widely believed fallacies is the notion that neoliberal capitalism engenders efficiency and innovation.

�When the highwayman holds his gun to your head, you turn your valuables over to him. You 'consent' alright, but you do so because you cannot help yourself, because you are compelled by his gun. Are you not compelled to work for an employer? Your need compels you, just as the highwayman�s gun.�
-- Alexander Berkman 

"the failure of historical alternatives to capitalism does not rule out the possibility that the principles of equity, solidarity, self management, and diversity may replace free trade"

Ok, so he's headed off my first objection, that Marxism has always created bad societies.

I will read your links. I am interested. So far the first writer seems more aware than the average "capitalism is bad" philosopher. But even though he does address that first point, and it's true that capitalism has flaws and creates problems, I really appreciate the society we have, and think it's the best compared to all historical alternatives. Perhaps it's possible to replace it with something even better, but I'm very, very wary of communism (even though I love the idea of a revolution overthrowing all the shit about society that I hate, including shopping mall materialism). 

a revolution overthrowing all the shit about society that I hate, including shopping mall materialism
There is so much I hate about you I cannot even believe it. 

I think you need more precise definitions of words like liberty, communism, capitalism, and so on. Part of the problem with philosophy is confusion about terminology! :) 

:) 

While I don't get to have any control over your emotions, I can remind you that you're not obliged to read things that you don't like.

We'll take it to the politics thread next time. 

was Kick-Ass! I liked the bit at the end where he killed all of those fucking cops and nasty ministers or whoever they were, and then died.

'V, oh no, V!'

Go and pretend to shoot stuff. 

was Kick-Ass! I liked the bit at the end where he killed all of those fucking cops and nasty ministers or whoever they were, and then died.

'V, oh no, V!'

Go and pretend to shoot stuff. 

vs emotion. You can't deduce values just from facts. You end up with questions like what's the meaning of life etc... If you pretend that you can, then you're just fooling yourself. You always have to take some axioms. This btw is the very common reason to call to a god, because you have to have some original source where your values come from.
People of course have an inbuilt sensitivity of unjustice etc. because we have mirror cells and are a co-operating species...

I don't like the Mel Gibson revenge flicks, haven't analyzed it that well... kinda seem just stupid.
In practically all Hollywood flicks the baddies are just pure filth with all the cliche baddie marks. A friend remarked how it's so individual and never anyone elses fault that a person turns to crime or does something bad. Perhaps the best example is Sin City. The baddie is highlighted in yellow ffs.

I'd have to read about different revolutions, but yeah, you are right in the movie just taking some cliches but not the whole control network that would exist, for example censorship... It's childish in that way.

Fight Club is one movie I didn't like that much, but many others did. I won't list the reasons here, but it still deals with the same revolution thing and people just wanting an easy and stupid life. 

I thought was good, because it was self-aware enough to be humorous and ironic about the subject of how stupid society can get, and how much fun it would be to go on a rampage against that kind of bullshit. It's a world apart from something that tries to be serious, but fails, like "V."

As for reason/emotion, my main point is that political ideologies end up pre-judging who's good and bad, without much concern for looking at facts on a case by case basis. The world isn't convenient enough to just have a list of good and bad social institutions, and both sides continually promote this view, and rarely look at the real points and ideas on the other side. You can't blanket-apply one idea or ideology to every problem and expect it to work.

I like Mel Gibson. He is a competent filmmaker who is kind of obsessed with violence, but one doesn't have to take it seriously all the time. Indeed it's kind of funny how he replays the same revenge-violence stuff, sometimes very seriously (Braveheart), other times with more humor (Payback). But with all of the directors who are either hacks (ie, Michael Bay) or pretentious assholes (ie, M Night Shamylan), someone you can count on to be competent and sometimes creative is pretty good. 

why are you bitching about shamylan so much? 

Luckily with every film he makes, his anti-cult following grows.

There was a decent quick knock at him on one of the latest Southparks. Oh man I love those guys. 

Hah, yeah that scene from the last southpark with Shamylan, Bay and Gibson was pretty hilarious, and pretty much spot on.

(Yeah my only occasion to jump in to this conversation is when someone mentions southpark, should I be worrying?)

Went to see Stardust the other day, was entertaining enough, the music was bloody annoying and sometimes it was pretty cheesy, but it had it's moments and was still a nice light-hearted fantasy adventure movie. 

made 1.5 decent films. I do think he has a keen sense of suspense, he just uses it in mainly stupid films. 

Never seen it before, but I read the book a long time ago (thought it was a very good book), and Im undecided about the film. It was a bit crap. Its too much of an ambitious thing to make that book into a film, cause of the timescale. King put a lot of detail in the book. I almost wish I hadnt seen the film because it has clouded my memory of the book.

It was OK though, but as the endof the book the town collapses and theres a massive flood, and they missed that out of the film. 

you all might have misunderstood the movies (or maybe i did, and he really sucks). :)

e.g. i thought signs totally sucked the first time i saw it; but after a second & third watch i think it totally rocks.
It does take the 'american aliens horror'-scenario, but what's interesting about it (imho, of course) is that it puts the focus on the characters - to an extent that i wouldn't really describe it as a sci-fi alien movie anymore.

Village is similar, if you watch it with the expectation of a horror movie, it WILL suck, because it isn't such a movie.

I absolutely love the music and the visuals in his films. that's what it's all about for me, and those two elements alone make them great movies.

i have no idea if he's an asshole like portrayed in sp, but i don't really care ;) 

And I never watched his films with a pre-judged view of genre. He does have his own sort of genre, really.

It's just that his ego is so massive, and you can tell in his films, that he's trying to prove that he's a genius. This continually interferes with my enjoyment of the otherwise decent suspense stuff that he does.

Anyone seen "Altered"? It's more of a conventional take on the American-Aliens horror genre, but I found it quite effective. Some rednecks whose lives were ruined by an alleged alien abduction attempt to get revenge. The director of this was involved in Blair Witch Project (the first one).

"Those aren't ideas, those are special effects!"
"I don't... understand the difference."
"I know you don't! Get him out of here!"

lol. 

PROSTITUTE: I've still got 5 minutes left honey...
MEL GIBSON: Then go boil an egg.

Mel Gibson delivered that whole film like he was Frank Drebin out of Naked Gun, but it wasn't funny. Oh no, it wasn't funny at all. 

Blair Witch sucked.
Maybe if I were more of a city boy who has never been to the woods.

Guys, list some revolution flicks. There's "Goodby Lenin" which was hilarious (I recommend it), although it wasn't that realistic or serious all the time. About East Germany.
Then Kolja (or is it Kolya), about Czechoslovakia. But the movie as a whole isn't that good, and it's only a side thing. 

is a crappy version of Point Blank, I didnt think it was that funny either. 

You got me, I grew up in the city. But my friend who grew up in the north, whose parents own land up in the northern forests, thought it was good.
Subjective, yeah, but I think it's one of the better horror movies in the last 10 years. Altered isn't shot in the same way, but it has a sweet vibe of paranoia. 

Ok build up ending in total anti-climax. 

my 2 cents an Oldboy. I dont see how it comes across as anything other than (well done) pulpy entertainment.

Zodiac - well it looks great and is reasonably well acted, but the scripting is heavily flawed. David Fincher's sprawling 2.5+ hr film is too episodic (at least in the first half) and doesn�t really have characters, it has ciphers that are used to progress the plot along. That�s the biggest problem, the plot in general is interesting but without having characters of any substance, it doesn�t amount to much. Mark Ruffalo comes out best, but all he's doing is making the best out of a very underwritten role.

As for the subject matter itself (ie the impact of an unresolved serial killer case on the investigators and community), the 2003 Korean film Memories of Murder does it much better justice.

6.5-7/10



Malcolm X (1992) - it has some great moments, but most of them are buried in unnecessary scenes and unnecessary nostalgia. Spike Lee's overlong film could have been great had some of the material been trimmed so that the power of the great scenes could have more impact.

You have to give credit to Lee for changing the tone of the film to match the changing of the character throughout his life, so that it goes from the giddiness of low level crime to religious sermon to blindly political and finally to unwanted reason. I'm not a huge Denzel Washington fan either, especially in his more recent stuff with Tony Scott, but here he is extraordinary. It's a fantastic performance that doesn�t draw attention to itself but instead to the character (which is where I have problems with some of the more recent biopic portrayals like Ray etc).

Still, as mentioned earlier, I found the length to be unnecessary (especially some of the early scenes) and despite the material being fascinating, the overall movie wasn�t as impressive.

6-6-5/10



Ask The Dust (2006) - Robert Towne returns to LA in his debut feature as director (he wrote Chinatown), but the results are of a far lesser quality. Colin Farrell and Salma Hayek star in this story of a writer looking to make it big but struggling with writer's block and moving to LA for inspiration. It's gorgeously shot, it definitely has a Chinatown feel to it, but unfortunately the writing is nowhere near the same level. Farrell does well with what is a limited role but Hayek is terrible and the script in general is pretty poor.

5/10



Corpse Bride - Tim Burton's return to stop motion animation is a pale imitation of his earlier The Nightmare Before Christmas which was wittier, had more plot and better characters. This new film is still a pleasure to look at but although its short, the script runs out ideas very quickly. There's some nice jokes but on the whole its pretty thin material struggling to make its short running time.

5.5-6/10



The Crow (1994) - Alex Proyas is a very talented man and he lends this considerable flair and style which elevates it to decent level even though the material is not exactly great. Brandon Lee is fairly intense as the title character but its mainly Proyas' interpretation of the world the comic is meant to be set in that keeps you interested. The fact that it's a convincing depiction and there's no CG also makes it a very refreshing change (hello 300).

6-6.5/10 

replace Oldboy with blair witch project. i dont ven know how that happened. 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0302886/
Luke Wilson, Will Ferrell and Vince Vaughn, super sexy girls, how could this be bad. (Not to mention a short scene with the Stiffler and one other "famous" guy I already forgot about right now.)
Could have had some more love (the ending was a bit underwhelming) but it was fun and great. Ellen Pompeo, god she has a smile.