crazy 

good points gb. I'm using quoth for the map pack I'm working on because it's a perfect fit for what I'm doing. almost everything i want in terms of custom entities is included (mapobject_custom, corpses, breakables, etc), and I love the monsters. The high HP of the high-level quoth enemies can slow down gameplay, but I think the mapper can mostly mitigate that problem while still using them..

e.g., have there been any quoth maps that used the plasmagun as a primary/major weapon? - something you get early on and get enough ammo to use it half of the time or more. I'm thinking of trying that in at least one of my maps. I can't recall using it much at all in any released quoth maps, but I really like the feel of it when testing. it gives gameplay more of a doom-like pace in my experience; you can blast through situations with it that are a hard slog with the nailgun (taking out a gug or a couple of droles). the only danger is gameplay getting dull from having such a powerful weapon.. but i hope that won't happen. 

try ne_deadcity or ne_tower. there's a PG in ne_tower's very first room as a secret, but you still get it half way through the map as a semi primary weapon.
the small ammo sizes for cells can also be a great way to make sure it's not overused.

also, trinity + NG is 1.5 times as powerful as the SNG giving it a nice boost without going into quad damage territory (ie: crazy overkill).

this is the spooky old town type map right? excited to see that. :) 

Totally worth blatantly copying:
Drole
Deathguard
Rocketeer
Bob

I think these monsters really flesh out gameplay potential. You are right that they missed adding stuff at the lower end of the roster but I think Quake was in more need of new tough enemies than weaker ones, especially given the lower counts people generally use compared to Doom, and all of them are very adaptable.

The Gug misses this opportunity via it's earth quake attack. It's an interesting idea but means you can't tune an encounter that well as the player will take random amounts of damage.I think that leads to a need to overload an area with health because you know they'll need at least some. 

Rocketeer: They'd be better if the rockets did as much damage as Ogre grenades. They already have a health bump and red armor that screams "DANGER", why not make them an actual threat?

Death Guard: I think 200 health is too much for them. About 150, or something similar would make them a better alternative to the Ogre - with faster movement and better melee/firepower, but less vitality.

Droles are great. Bobs are cool, and I'm tempted to make a medieval Quoth map and replace their model and sounds with the Nemesant from Zer, just to be a cunt. :P

I'd really like to see RMQ's Berserk Ogre in action sans all the weapon "rebalancing" - he'd be a good equivalent to the Pinky Demon I think?

ericw: warpb.bsp. 

You've clearly not tried placing a group of rocketeers at a high angle above the player. You need pretty precise dodging to avoid the splash off the floor, which I love to use for hard difficulty

Really if they did more damage they'd be quite annoying. P 

I'd really like to see RMQ's Berserk Ogre in action sans all the weapon "rebalancing" - he'd be a good equivalent to the Pinky Demon I think?

The pinky demon went down to one shot from the DBS in Doom2. You could bag sometimes two or three because of its spread as well. 

Melee monsters in Quake a very different due to the fact A: Some can attack while moving and B: they have a long range.

Pinkie demons have a range of barely a few inches, hense how you can have a huge herd very close but take little to no damage. You can dead zone them like a shambler incredibly easily with almost no space. Same in Quake doesn't work. A horde of knights in a tight space will rip your bum off unless you have a powerful weapon as they move and swing with a few meters of range very happily.

You can see just how pathetic the pinkie demon really is by watching it attempt to infight. Even the slow shuffle of a Baron is enough to move out of range and avoid taking damage. 

The only time when you got in problems was when a herd would corner you. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc5dKqoFtKk 

if we had a place to upload scraps, including scraps of past mappers and sources of finished maps that the mappers released, how many people would take part? I think this would be interesting. We often use the metaphor remix for maps, why not have the original source available, it might let people mix architecture together in unexpected ways. 

I'll gladly host scraps. no user uploads though. in my opinion it would be best if there were accompanying screenshots. also they must have a proper readme and some form of license that explicitely allows people to use them. gpl is nice. 7z or zip.

some _src packages are in the filebase but that never felt right. I'll sort them out. 

I like the idea, that it has to be source files (and in my view, those HAVE to include the textures and some documentation). Screenshots is another important point. The exciting thing about this, is that there's still CZG scraps out there. Dead mappers ghosts could be included. BUT, who knows what this section might receive from active mappers. Anyway thanks for having the section, I'll assemble a properly documented scraps/sources/textures part. 

http://www.quaddicted.com/files/maps/sources/

There is a problem. Many people package the sources right into the release (bsp) zip (which is nice but not for this project). I think making a wiki page where screenshots can be added could include links to those bundled sources. I do not want to duplicate files. 

it might be nice to make one further distinction between map sources for completed maps, and map sources for scraps.

if you're just searching for stuff to make a new map out of, you'd only want scraps, for example. 

necros: thanks for the suggestions! need to replay those maps :) yeah, i'm working on the spooky ik2k city map.

also, a map scrap repository sounds like a great idea. 

Simple as that. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzbnwASIFKU&feature=related 

you forgot the page number! 

Hey, is Quaddicted gonna include mods now? what became of the discussion? 

I can't understand any single fucking words: she's speaking too fast.... but she has nice boobs !

PS: you need such breast in order to speak so fats I guess :P 

Is there a trick to make the weapon models draw fully on 1280*720? Right now the back parts are cut off. Increasing fov helps but it makes the rest look wrong. It's for video capture.

How do 4:3 fullscreen youtube videos look on a widescreen monitor - black borders on the sides? 

yes. 

fov is the only trick... i have a 16:10 monitor and i use FOV 105 to give the same vertical space that a 4:3 monitor would show at FOV 90.

but customizing/fixing the gun position is one of the things that fitzquake still lacks... it's on my list of things to fix for the next version, not that that will help you much :P 

Blatantly copying monsters... It's not nice to rip off other people's models, but the characteristics and behaviour can easily be transferred to other mods. I thought Rubicon's Dreadnaught was an awesome Pyro.

Re: berserk ogre; you could simply rip it out of the available source and put it into your own mod. Same for the shield ogre etc.

Better yet, rip it, and then improve it. That's evolution.

Re: Rubicon monsters in RMQ; I voted it down for equal parts "keeping the identity" and "huge respect for Metlslime and Rubicon".

Maybe someone makes a combined uber-mod a few years down the line.