|
Posted by Shambler on 2003/05/11 15:08:47 |
I thought a trio of themed threads about other entertainment media might be good. If you're not interested, please just ignore the thread and pick some threads that interest you from here: http://celephais.net/board/view_all_threads.php
Anyway, discuss films... |
|
|
Not Even On A Kitsch Level?
#2041 posted by HeadThump on 2007/09/29 06:53:51
the militarism and fascism? the homo-erotic Xerxes in leather and a glistening bold head? the milfy tits in the solid R sex scene? the anachronistic heavy metal battle music? Oh, well.
My off the wall complaints about the movie. 1) The Persians didn't look like any Persians I know, many didn't look like any humans that I know (this does emphasize the cartoonish nature of the movie that makes it acceptable in some sense), and 2) the milf actress couldn't project her voice worth shit while the actor playing Leonidas screamed his head off the entire time (take an acting tip from Brando and Crowe dude, a confident whisper is much more intimidating than losing your cool).
Oh That Head Was Indeed 'bold'
#2042 posted by HeadThump on 2007/09/29 06:55:06
but I was going for 'bald'.
Hmm...
#2043 posted by metlslime on 2007/09/29 09:00:55
You're not alone, i was actually another person who didn't like 300. I went in expecting something along the lines of Sin City, i.e. very stylized visuals and characters, and story/dialog that was enthusiastically cliched. And it was, yet I still hated it.
It troubled me how I could like one movie and dislike another, yet everything I could say about 300 is also true of sin city. They both have a 13-year-old boy sensibility. They were both violent and exploitative. Both had an interesting visual style that was pulled off fairly well.
Maybe the problem was that sin city was smart enough to know it was full of cliches and caricatures, but 300 seemed very earnest about its story and its dialog. The dialog in particular felt like it had been written by professional wrestlers, and was delivered as such.
Maybe the difference was all in the directing. Rodriguez knew he was directing an over-the-top parody of comic book noir, but Snyder thought he was filming ancient greek war propoganda. So, sin city was subtly ironic and smart enough to question its characters, while 300 really believes the good guys are just and the bad guys are wicked and evil.
Ugh...
#2044 posted by metlslime on 2007/09/29 09:03:16
...and guess who's signed up to direct Watchmen?
Metl
#2045 posted by nitin on 2007/09/29 09:53:00
that pretty much nails the likeability factor of thw two, but I still think Sin City was miles ahead of 300 in the visuals department(really all it did was turn up the contrast and drain the blue from every image).
Sin City actually has interesting camerawork, 300 just overuses the matrix slow mo on top off its high contrast imagery. I personally didnt think it had not one actually interesting bit of camerawork in it.
Nitin:
#2046 posted by metlslime on 2007/09/29 11:49:21
oh yeah, i was going to say that too. Sin City used visuals to tell a story, 300 used them like a club to beat the audience over the head.
I think 300 had some nice looking shots, but they were always recreating a pretty storyboard and were usually showing off the prettyness rather than using them for storytelling. (same way some sci fi movies use FX to tell a story, others spend a lot of time just showing off the expensive FX)
Yeah...
#2047 posted by Tronyn on 2007/09/29 16:58:12
Fuck 300, to me more than any other recent movie it marks the point of CGI overload. How can one derive entertainment from 1,000 people fighting, 10,000, 100,000, 1,000,000, or 1,000,000,000 if the whole thing is retarded and doesn't mean shit? Completely unconvincing, completely retarded, and having absolutely nothing to do with the source material (maybe a fault of Miller's, who knows).
An enlightening comparison to this movie I find, is Apocalypto: They actually went into the jungle and actually did the scenes and stunts, gravity behaves normally, people are sweaty and covered in muck as you'd expect, they even used subtitles, conveying willingness on the part of the director to make the audience compromise instead of compromising the material. Apocalypto may not have been historically accurate (I can't judge, knowing little about South American history), but compared to 300 it has such a different attitude towards filmmaking that I felt invested in the struggles of 10 people, wheras with 300 couldn't give a shit about the murder of millions.
Hollywood does a real disservice to humanity when it projects its tanned, oiled, hairless vision of reality onto any source material and one can't help but feel that the ignorance of the masses in general has been heaped upon by such profiteers. A certain amount of stupidity is going to be the standard, but it's decades of films exemplifying the tendencies that 300 gathers in one giant shitfest that are responsible for the ignorance of the average person, particularly in America. Unless it's something in the water, or the gene pool, one has to blame it on the culture.
Richard Dawkins (whom I previously didn't like, but am coming to appreciate more) commented on American stupidity, "These people have the vote and the rest of us must deal with the consequences."
Pwned
#2048 posted by megaman on 2007/09/29 17:04:23
i love you guys
300
#2049 posted by Spirit on 2007/09/29 17:17:47
I fucking liked it.
Jeez,
#2050 posted by HeadThump on 2007/09/29 18:46:12
it's a popcorn chewing Saturday Matin�e flick. You are taking it way too seriously. It is not G�tterd�mmerung, the Apocalypse, and the Decline of Western Civilization all wrapped in to one 90 minute spectacle, and it's inaccurate portrayal of history are no more important or damaging than the fictions Puzo built around the Italian mob or
Shakespeare likewise wrote about the British Aristocracy.
Still Love Ya Though
#2051 posted by HeadThump on 2007/09/29 19:12:38
even if my well water is contaminated with lead chips.
Lol
#2052 posted by Tronyn on 2007/09/30 01:42:26
alright maybe I overreacted, but the point was not that it's historically inaccurate, I don't care about that, it's just that it was so fake and dumb. I'm complaining not that they're spreading ignorance so much as that they may be spreading stupidity itself.
the whole epic thing has been so overdone it's starting to be sickening. Of all the post-LOTR epics I think only Troy was in any way decent.
I Was In Agreement
#2053 posted by nitin on 2007/09/30 04:23:53
till you brought up Troy :)
Although i do plan to watch the extended director's cut over the next week or so, hoping it's better.
For my money, and this will be very hard to believe if you've actually seen the theatrical version, but the director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven is actually very very good. The 50 min of extra footage shows how easy it is to completely butcher a good film.
Yeah
#2054 posted by Tronyn on 2007/09/30 04:44:29
I saw that in a theatre when it came out, and I do find that hard to believe. That is surprising to hear, the theatrical cut seemed to meander around without a point and felt way too long.
well I will have to check it out some time.
It's Worth It
#2055 posted by nitin on 2007/09/30 09:13:54
I thought the theatrical edition was a piece of crap, but the extended cut is excellent.
Tronyn
#2056 posted by inertia on 2007/10/01 03:37:07
I don't care if you overreacted, if it gets you to write awesome monologues like that!
#2057 posted by nitin on 2007/10/03 10:07:38
Deliverance (1973) - rewatch, I was a bit harsh on this last time I saw it, incorrectly labelling it a one scene movie. It's beautifully shot, well acted and the direction is tense and natural. But having said that, I still find something not quite right about the movie as a whole, just cant put my finger on it. Either way, it is, at the very least, quite a good film with some standout sequences.
7/10
Saw Sunshine Last Week
#2058 posted by czg on 2007/10/03 12:26:11
Had potential to be utterly fantastic, but ended up being just mediocre. Too many people dying in stupid ways.
However: Incredible cinematography and set design, and Underworld's soundtrack is brilliant.
Planet Terror
#2059 posted by megaman on 2007/10/03 14:29:22
oh man, great, great fun. can't remember when i last had this much fun with a movie.
That said, i have three points to critisize:
1) There's a totally weird 'film roll missing' cut in the middle that totally stunk. It cuts off a sex scene and then starts with all previous characters united at one place (that's suddenly burning down). (esp. as the big cut makes all character introduction unnecessary anyways.)
2) It's a tad too long. Some 'shoot another few zombies down' scenes could've been left out imho - i wasn't exactly bored, but it felt lengthy
3) i wouldn't normally pick on logic flaws, but this one is more of an inner logic error: The chick with the machine gun leg suddenly is invincible when she attacks the helis with the soldiers, and all other (as well as herself in pervious scenes) are quite careful and in fear f getting shot. kind of a break of the own rules.
oh, and it receives -1 each brainlessness and no message at all penalties
8/10
Whoops
#2060 posted by megaman on 2007/10/03 21:22:20
now that i read it again, the "(esp. as the big cut makes all character introduction unnecessary anyways.)" should be at the end of point 2)
Czg
#2061 posted by inertia on 2007/10/04 08:14:50
also: gravity in sunshine = what
I Can Suspend Disbelief For Artificial Gravity
#2062 posted by czg on 2007/10/04 09:25:20
This is a sci-fi after all.
However from the airlock scene we are led to believe that presence of air = gravity, and that is a wtf. If they had like a small monitor that said "local gravity field enabled" or something to that effect I would have been happier.
Overall I thought this was going to be a nice hard sci-fi but it wasn't. Disappointed I am.
Also Cillian Murphy is sooooooo creeeepyyyy, zooomggggggg!!!
Anybody Seen
#2063 posted by bambuz on 2007/10/04 14:53:06
In the Shadow of the Moon?
Supposedly rocks.
Only available in USA in theaters, except perhaps some small film festivals elsewhere. :(((
Finally Saw
#2064 posted by nitin on 2007/10/07 02:55:18
Sunshine - well you guys are right but you have to have some admiration for a movie that manages to incorporate <a>Alien, Solaris and 2001 successfully without really feeling like a rip off. Of course, it's unfortunate that it also chose to incorporate Event Horizon in its last act and although the idea for that part was interesting, the execution was poorly judged.
And yes, the visuals are outstanding (especially for that budget), but no one's mentioned the sound design yet. I thought it was great and added a lot to the atmosphere.
6.5/10
#2065 posted by nitin on 2007/10/08 14:39:23
Pitfall (1962) - Hirsohi Teshigahara's debut film is one of the most oddly unpredictable movies I have seen. The director has described it as a documentary-fantasy, and that is certainly a very apt description as the movie is part socio-realist critique, part ghost story and part existential drama. Every time you think you have it pinned as to where it is going next, it goes in a completely different direction.
For me, this strange melding of genres and ideas, as a murdered japanese miner returns as a ghost determined to find out the reason for his death, did not quite work in an overall sense. However, its rhtyhm is definitely strangely compelling and that in itself puts it ahead of most movies.
6/10
Smokin Aces - Joe Carnahan's followup to Narc is a big, loud, blood soaked mess, but it is a good mess. The pulpy, convoluted "story" about a range of parties converging at a hotel in an attempt to claim the bounty on a wanted man is overwrought in cliches, has too many unnecessary characters and plotlines and is really a big excuse for an extended action scene. But its reasonably well made as a non-serious and over the top action film, and the carnage unleashed near the end is very impressive. Pity that the denoument after this scene goes into lengthy exposition that belongs in a completely different movie.
6/10
|
|
You must be logged in to post in this thread.
|
Website copyright © 2002-2024 John Fitzgibbons. All posts are copyright their respective authors.
|
|